First time judging question

Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:07 am

Hey fellas, I am going to be judging in the Michigan State Fair in August and just wanted to get some tips from some of the experienced judges around here. I am already lining up the classic examples to judge on my own and take notes on. What else do you have for me? Thanks.

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Re: First time judging question

Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:30 am

I hope to judge this year too. Last year was my first time judging, ending up in the spiced, herb, and/or vegtable beer category. Just thinking about this experience brings on an instant gag reflex. I have to say it was a bit disconcerting starting off looking through a bottle that had a whole 6" hot red pepper in it. With my extemely limited knowledge on judging, I can only say judge it on the style it was entered as, NOT how good it is. Feel free to break this rule on BOS though, in my opinion. If your judging partner disagree's with this rule you might have a hard time getting your scores in line.

Even for hating the category I judged I enjoyed it. Chipotle beer?! C'mon!! Good luck and have fun.
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Re: First time judging question

Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:36 pm

I just judged a sweet competition in Appleton, WI yesterday. Such a great time. It was a small competition, but I like smaller comps because you can take the time to do the job right, there is not a rush to have 6 beers judged per hour or anything like that, as there is with most other comps.

The best advice I can give to any judge is...... print off some name labels ahead of time to stick on the judging sheets. Include your name, rank and judge ID (if you have it), and email address. You don't want to be writing that shit dozens of times on each score sheet. It makes life so much easier.

But seriously.... Do get some practice at home. Best thing you can do is get your hands on some homebrew from your buddies and judge theirs. Even judge your own. I do, just for the practice, and then when I enter competitions, I compare my notes with theirs.

I think it is important to judge independently. Don't let any other judges influence you into thinking there's acetaldehyde or diacetyl in a beer, when you know in your heart that you don't detect it at all when you taste it. Maybe it is in there, maybe it isn't. Experienced judges are NOT perfect. Call it as you see it. Put down your OWN comments, not someone else's. And if you find that a fellow judge is talking too much and influencing the comments your are writing, politely ask them to shut up so you can come up with your own ideas. Independent judging is of huge benefit to the homebrewer. I know I hate it when I enter a competition and get two scoresheets back, both with almost exactly the same comments word for word. It happens far too often. I like to get a more broad and independent look at my beer. Then if the independent comments jive, I know there's a pretty good chance that it's true and not just groupthink.

Of course, you should always try to be as descriptive as possible. For instance, terms like "nice color", "good malt", and "fruity esters" aren't nearly as good as "deep copper, almost brown", "sweet caramel with a touch of burnt toast", and "tangerine citrus hoppiness up front; a hint of pear or apple in the aftertaste".

Offer improvement suggestions, whether with ingredients or technique, or both, even if it is a good beer. "Not to style" doesn't tell them anything. Neither does "nothing wrong with this beer". In your opinion, as a judge, would it benefit from a little more hop bitterness, flavor, or aroma? Is it TOO malty or TOO complex for the style? Let them know!

The hardest thing for me was to give an awesome beer a bad score because it didn't fit the guidelines. There was a beer yesterday, entered as a blonde ale, that was totally not a blonde ale, but it was such a great beer. It was red in color, cloudy, and very biscuity. Reminded me of Fat Tire. Why it was entered as a blonde ale was beyond me. It would have scored about 39 as an amber ale, but as a blonde ale, it only got a 27. Sad, but it had to be done, it was just plain entered in the wrong category.

A few more:
Don't eat any garlic or onions 24 hours before the competition.
Do eat a good balanced breakfast or lunch before you judge.
Do floss and brush your teeth before you judge. Also brush the back of your tongue. Might seem odd, but it's a great habit to get into. That's where millions of bacteria like to hang out. They can screw up your senses.
Bring two mechanical pencils and some paper, and a copy of the style guidelines if you have them printed out.

That's everything I can think of right now. Enjoy.
Dave

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Re: First time judging question

Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:32 am

Thanks for the feedback guys. What do you do to keep the palate clean during judging. Saltless crackers and water. So far that is my plan. Any other ideas?
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Re: First time judging question

Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:35 pm

I more often see slices of french or cuban bread than crackers. I think I'd prefer the crackers, though, as sometimes the bread has a yeasty smell all its own.

You might consider providing unscented hand soap in the bathrooms. Seems hotels especially are likely to have heavily scented soap that seems to linger no matter how long your rinse.
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Re: First time judging question

Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:20 pm

To calibrate your nose - sniff your arm.

...that's straight from the mouth of the Pope.



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Re: First time judging question

Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:53 am

MyloFiore wrote:To calibrate your nose - sniff your arm.

...that's straight from the mouth of the Pope.



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Thats right I remember that brewcast! I can't wait to be doing my arm sniffing around the others judging. If they think I am weird I will have to explain. :lol:
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Re: First time judging question

Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:23 pm

how intriguing, which episode was that on?
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