weizenbock mystery

[slanted & enchanted]

i brewed a weizenbock pretty much using the recipe outlined on jamil's show a few weeks ago. i use a starter according to jamil's calculator. after i transferred to the corny i had a bit left over so i put it in a 2-liter with a carbonation cap thingie and charged it up.

that beer out of the 2 litre was pretty darn good. it might have lacked a little body and i would have liked the flavor a bit richer, but it was a great first draft and i was excited for the corny to get carbed up. well, it's been a week, and i'm dissapointed.

the nice estery flavor has turned bandaid-y. i used wyeast 3068, anyone else have issues with that yeast? i fermented at 62-64 for 10 days, then put the corny in a 34 degree fridge for cold crashing for about 10 days (took me awhile to get around to racking it). after that it tasted great. i got about 73% attenuation according to my readings. what happened in the last 8-10 days? did i transfer too much yeast along with the beer? i mean, this IS a weizen, there should be a little yeast in there.

[bub]

DO NOT DISPARAGE 3068 IN ANY WAY MO-FO
3068 is a beautiful beautiful yeast that is quite possibly the best beer yeast ever, and MOST CERTAINLY the best HEF yeast ever.
Uhh I forgot the question..
BUB

[Surgeon General]

Well, Bub's obviously well into his nightly case of the silver bullet, so I'll attempt a reasonable response here..

I find that in my weizens, band aid and clove like phenols often overlap a little bit, using both 3068 & 300. In fact, for me, it really depends upon what I have in my head before I go to taste the beer. If I am expecting over the top band aid phenols, I'll get them a little bit, but conversely, if I am expecting cloves, I'll get those.

What was the gravity of your brew? It's just an idea, but perhaps you racked it too soon? The one time I racked an ale off the primary earlier than 14 days, I had a distinct Acetaldehyde flavor. Since then, it's at least two weeks, usually three, and no such problems. Just an idea.

[BDawg]

Band-Aid is the mark of chloro-phenols. Any chance you are somehow incorporating bleach or chlorine carrying water in your process (maybe for rinsing)? Chloramine in the tap water will not come out unless you filter it or use a campden tab to get rid of it. I understand the single sample did not have the taste, but maybe there was something you did differently....

Just trying to trigger some thoughts here for you-

HTH-

[slanted & enchanted]

the final gravity was 1.02. but the original was 1.08. like i said, i got 73% attenuation which is at the low end of the scale for that yeast. the difference between the first sample and the second is maybe 10 days in a corney. the sample i took directly out of the carboy.

i use starsan. my water does have a swimming pool taste, but i use campden tabs and a filter. never had that taste before. well, i did, actually, in a belgian i made that i left on the yeast cake for like a month on accident.

so bub, what temp do primary with that yeast? i had mine in the spare unheated room. i thought it was pretty stable at 62-64, although i was out of town quite a bit. it wouldn't have gone any higher than that. it apparetnly was pretty vigorous, it accesorized my newly painted light gray wall with some nice brown chunks and splatter. not that you're a stranger to brown chunks and splatter, i'm sure...

[J.Brew]

DO NOT DISPARAGE 3068 IN ANY WAY MO-FO
3068 is a beautiful beautiful yeast that is quite possibly the best beer yeast ever, and MOST CERTAINLY the best HEF yeast ever.
Uhh I forgot the question..
BUB

[slanted & enchanted]

false alarm, spoke too soon. i forgot i added gelatin because i wanted the beer clear. i drank the gelatin. no wonder it tasted crappy. it's pig feet.

so looks like 3068 is off the hook, bub. next time i'll up the chocolate a bit, maybe add a little melanoidin, and ferment a bit cooler. that should make a killer weizenbock.

[Thirsty Boy]

At the risk of incurring Bub's wrath...

I have made 4 hefes - two with 3056 that I really liked, and two with 3068 that were really quite unpleasant for several months and settled down to drinkable after that.

Not saying its the 3068, but next hefe will be something else to prove to myself that its not just me making crappy beer, and the one after that will be 3068 again... if the 3068 strikes out again.....