Substitute for Simcoe Hops?

[animaldoc]

Nope. When they say mash hop they mean exactly that --in the mash. If they want you to put hops in the wort when you first start running out your mash they call it -- (wait for it) -- first wort hops.

The utilization is reported to be significantly lower than boil hops, but the theory is that some type of glycosylation is occuring to allow aroma compounds to survive the boil and be liberated in the fermenter.

Others theorize that it's just another opportunity to add hops to your brewing process.

[Hoser]

I don't feel that there is a true substitute for Simcoe hops, there are very unique. They have a dank, piney, grapefruit quality that I have not found with any other hops. You can certainly use columbus or summit in its place, but you will know the difference.

[Mtn Minor]

My back order from Austin HBS shipped yesterday.

[Cliff]

Simcoe? Tomcat piss works well I think.

I forget where I got this
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Hop Substitution Chart
Hop Variety Possible Substitutes
Admiral ----- Target, Northdown, Challenger
Ahtanum ----- Amarillo, Centennial, Simcoe
Amarillo ----- Cascade, Centennial, Summit, Ahtanum
Boadicea ----- Cacade(?), I'm not sure...
Brewers Gold ----- Bullion, Chinook, Galena, Nugget
Bullion ----- Columbus, Northern Brewer
Cascade ----- Amarillo, Centennial, Summit
Centennial ----- Amarillo, Cascade, Columbus, Summit
Challenger ----- Perle, Admiral
Chinook ----- Brewers Gold, Columbus, Galena, Nugget, Northern Brewer, Eroica
Cluster ----- Galena, Eroica
Columbus ----- Magnum, Chinook, Northern Brewer, Warrior, Millenium, Bullion
Crystal ----- Mt. Hood, Liberty, Hallertauer, Tettnanger, Strisselspalt
E.K. Goldings ----- Fuggle, Progress, First Gold
Eroica ----- Galena
First Gold ----- E.K. Goldings
Fuggle ----- Willamette, Styrian Golding, Tettnanger, Newport
Galena ----- Brewers Gold, Nugget, Cluster, Chinook, Eroica, Newport
Glacier ----- Willamette, Fuggle, Tettnanger, Styrian Goldings
Hallertau ----- Liberty, Tettnanger, Mt. Hood, Vangaurd, Tradition
Horizon ----- Magnum
Liberty Hallertau, Tettnanger, Mt. Hood, Crystal, Ultra
Lublin Saaz, Sterling
Magnum ----- Horizon, Newport
Marynka ----- Northern Brewer(?)
Millenium ----- Nugget, Columbus
Mt. Hood ----- Hallertauer, Liberty, Crystal, Strisselspalt
Northern Brewer ----- Nugget, Chinook, Columbus, Bullion, Perle, Styrian Aurora
Newport ----- Galena, Nugget, Fuggle, Magnum
Northdown ----- Admiral, Challenger
Nugget ----- Cluster, Galena, Brewers Gold, Warrior, Eroica, Target, Millenium
Perle ----- Challenger, Northern Brewer
Premiant ?
Progress ----- Fuggles, E.K. Goldings
Saaz ----- Sladek, Lublin, Sterling, Ultra, Vangaurd
Santiam ----- Tettnanger, Spalt, Liberty, Hallertau
Saphir ?
Simcoe ----- Northern Brewer (?)
Sladek ----- Saaz, Lublin
Spalt ----- Santiam, Liberty, Tettnanger, Hallertau
Sterling ----- Saaz, Lublin
Strisselspalt ----- Mt. Hood, Crystal
Styrian Aurora ----- Northern Brewer
Styrian Goldings ----- Fuggle, Willamette
Summit ----- Amarillo, Cascade
Target ----- Nugget, Fuggle, WIllamette, Admiral
Tettnanger ----- Hallertau, Liberty, Fuggle
Tradition ----- Hallertauer
Ultra ----- Liberty, Hallertau, Saaz
Vangaurd ----- Saaz, Hallertauer
Warrior ----- Nugget, Columbus
Willamette ----- Styrian Golding, Target, Fuggle, Tettnanger, Glacier

[pfooti]

Woop, my bad. I guess mash hop is what they mean. I've never tried that, myself. Kind of funny that Northern Brewer is listed as a replacement for simcoe, but athanum has simcoe as a replacement listing. Just goes to show- you've gotta fiddle. Simcoe is still shipping from freshops based on their website, although it has recently acquired a "limit 32 oz" disclaimer. The sky, it's falling y'all.

Personally, I'd try for either Northern Brewer or CTZ. Depends on which aspect of simcoe you particularly want to recpature. Never tried using athanum at all, so I've no idea what it tastes like.

[Hoser]

Ahtanum would be a better substitute for Amarillo or Cascade than Simcoe. If you are using Simcoe for a mash hop than Northern Brewer or CTZ would be fine as most of the aromatics will boil off.

[bufordsbest]

looks like simcoe is near impossible to get now in my neck of the woods.

LHBS guy recommends 70/30 blend of Magnum and Northern Brewer. I also found summit as a possible replacement on brewer supply group website.

anyone have any luck with a good substitute?

[scotchpine]

I'm gonna dry hop with some summit on my next batch to compliment the cascade and hope it hits it like Simcoe would.