Re: Thermowell placement

Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:25 am

I would think that placing the thermowell at the output of the coil wouldn't be the best solution either for a HERMS setup. It's going to shut off the recirc as soon as the first bit of wort passes through it. Most, if not all of your mash will be at a lower temp. I think that a better solution might involve 1) placing the thermowell in the middle of the mash - thereby averaging the grain bed temp, 2) having a decent flow rate (to discourage stratification), and 3) a minimal differential in your HLT (again, to discourage stratification).

Mind you my theories here are just from the hip - and not from experience. I'm actually designing my brutus clone right now and I am very interested in hearing from other HERMS owners with respect this topic. Let's hear it, HERMS brothas!


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Re: Thermowell placement

Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:51 pm

That sound pretty good Mylo. What kind of flow are you looking for? I have done some tests with 1/2 copper coils about 30' long. Getting a full flow out of it. Slightly slowed down because of the coil but seems to transfer heat well.
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Re: Thermowell placement

Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:06 pm

Ideally, I'd like to completely change the mash liquid through the coil every 10 min or so. I guess that works out to about a gallon a minute.

I have an old 3/8" ID chiller that I was going to use as the HERMS coil - but it sounds like I should just pony up for the 1/2". I am worried a litle about compaction at that rate. I am also starting to think that the way to do it right is to have a mash stirrer as well.... The big boys have it, why not us? I suppose I could turn it off during mash out to set the bed. Time for another gearmotor, I suppose. I think I also want to insulate my MT kettle. Seems like a good idea to prevent to much heat loss.


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Re: Thermowell placement

Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:08 am

I just finished my Mashtun version 3.0 I used rigid insulation and aluminum flashing. I cut the foam in 1.5" strips and banded them together with duct tape. I also insullated the bottom and made an insulated lid. I loose very little if anything now. I will take some pictures of it and post them tonight if anyone wants to see it
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Re: Thermowell placement

Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:16 pm

Hammer wrote:I just finished my Mashtun version 3.0 I used rigid insulation and aluminum flashing. I cut the foam in 1.5" strips and banded them together with duct tape. I also insullated the bottom and made an insulated lid. I loose very little if anything now. I will take some pictures of it and post them tonight if anyone wants to see it

I'd love to see those pics.
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Re: Thermowell placement

Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:23 pm

Hey Sorry for the delay in getting images up here. Hopefully these are not too big! (thats what she said)

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Re: Thermowell placement

Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:44 am

MyloFiore wrote:I would think that placing the thermowell at the output of the coil wouldn't be the best solution either for a HERMS setup. It's going to shut off the recirc as soon as the first bit of wort passes through it. Most, if not all of your mash will be at a lower temp.

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If the flow rate is very slow, the heating element does cycle on and off but with the temp probe at the output of the heat exchanger you are able to control the temp of the wort landing on top of your mash. In practice my flow rate is high enough that the element will stay on for quite a while as it heats the mash. In previous versions of my electric system when I was measuring at the output of the mash and before the heating element, I would overshoot my set temp by 10 degrees, moving the probe to the middle of the mash would cause a less severe overshoot but I still predict an overshoot on an system using an external heat exchanger.

Whatever you choose, just stick with for a few brew sessions so you can determine if you can control the system well enough to maintain the temp you want.

My system now is a cooler with PVC manifold, this drains into a T with a digital temp probe, then the wort goes to my electric heat exchanger, after passing by the element, it passes by the LOVE control probe on it's way to the pump which takes the wort back to the top. In practice, the love control temp and the output of the mash tun measure within 1 degree of each other for the whole 60 minute mash if it is a single temp mash. If I have to do a step mash. I can adjust the LOVE control up to 170 or so and watch for the temp at the bottom of the mash to start moving, once this happens I can adjust the LOVE control down to my desired set temp and it usually stabilizes in 10 - 15 minutes so that both thermometers match. On a 10 gallon batch I will infuse with boiling water because the 1500 watt element just takes to long.

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Re: Thermowell placement

Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:15 am

Thanks for the input. I see your point. I have been slowly trying to put this all together, but the need for beer means that for now I am still using Propane. Thanks again.
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