Help, is Jamil's brown ale any thing like Moose Drool?

[TimCA]

Good afternoon,

I will be brewing his recipy on Wednesday, my hope is that is will be like Moose Drool.... any one brewed it and if so is it close?

Thanks

[consumes]

are you doing his dirty water brown ??

[katzke]

Been a year but Moose Drool was a lot like Deschutes Black Butte Porter. I would try a porter.

The Slow Elk is a lot like Deschutes Obsidion Stout.

I with great self control saved a mixed 6 pack and gave it to someone I owed a favor to and he agreed you could change the labels and not many would know the difference.

As a side note the BYO clone recipes this year has Slow Elk but not Moose Drool. I love the Slow Elk label.

[crazymonkey15]

is Jamil's ________ any thing like _________?

I'd love for Jamil to chime in on this as well (as I don't want to put words into anybody's mouth), but here's my take on it.

I don't think anything in the Brewing Classic Styles book is a clone of any beer. Its one of the things that makes this recipe book so unique.

Every recipe is designed to be an accurate representation of the BJCP Style (and if Jamil feels its a little to big, or too hoppy, etc. he mentions that and the the reason for deviating from the guidelines) not a single beer.

So while Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is a standard example of American Pale Ale Jamil's recipe is not a clone of that particular beer individually, but representative of the broader description of American Pale Ale style.

I think you'll also find may commercial brewers (like Alan Pugsley did on the Shipyard show) say they brew beers to sell not win competitions. So if you want to clone a particular commercial beer then looking for a competition winner may or may not be the best source to start with. For the longest time I could never figure out why one of my favorite beers Odell's 90 Shilling didn't win more awards. It's a great beer, but in a flight of 40+ it probably won't have any stand out flavors to really separate it from everything else.

The good new is if you love American Pale Ales then you should love the recipe in the book. If you want to brew a Sierra Nevada Pale Ale the book should get you close and you can tweak it into a clone.

Anybody else got a better way of articulating it?

[Bugeater]

Nope, you did a great job of it.

When I first started doing all grain brews, I tried "cloning" favorite commercial styles. I finally stopped trying to do that when I realized that it was incredibly difficult to do so and that they were not all that "close to style". I also quickly figured out that I could easily tweak a style to suit my particular tastes.

This is where John and Jamil's book is handy. These recipes are a great base for developing your own take on a style. Brew one of these beers "as is" once and then brew it again changing an ingredient or an amount to better suit your tastes. This will help you learn the effect on different ingredients on a base style and will help you on designing future recipes.

Wayne
Bugeater Brewing Company

[jamilz]

I think that is a good explanation as well.

The following is the recipe for Moose Drool, courtesy of homebrewer Kevin Peters. He got this direct from Big Sky.

OG 1.052
Color 38
IBU 26

Pale 87%
Crystal 75 10%
Chocolate 2.8%
Black .2%

Final Mash Temp 154° F

70 minute boil
20 IBU East Kent Goldings
Liberty and Willamette for flavor and aroma for total of 26 IBU

WLP002 or Wyeast 1968

[brewster99]

When I do that recipe up in promash I only get 18.8 for the color. That is way off the 38 that the recipe calls for.

[jamilz]

You might try a different color formula. They seem to vary by a factor of 10 sometimes.