Late Hop Additions

[dawgfur]

I am interested in brewing an APA or an IPA using the late hop addition bittering technique that I am hearing about more and more. I've been playing around with some ProMash recipes by increasing my hop weight and reducing my boil time to hit my bittering mark with the higher alpha pellet hops. Any suggestions or good recipes out there?

Thanks,
Bill

[Homegrown Hops]

I wouls suggest using a recipe that you have done before and could compare the difference between the two methods.

HH

[Fritz Eye]

there is a recipe on mrmalty.com for a recipe loosely based on Ale Smith's Evil Dead Red.
The site is written by some guy named Jamil, some people call him the Pope. Ever hear of him?

[Terrazza]

I have done 3 hopburst ales in the past 3 brew sessions.

The first was an IPA with 40 IBUs from only hops added with 25 minutes or less additions. My notes on it were that it was both VERY malty and VERY hoppy. It was really different, and I really enjoyed it. If I could change something about it, I'd like it better with maybe 10 IBUs coming from bittering hops added at 90 minutes or FWHs. It was overwhelmingly hoppy out of the secondary. And you could really taste the crystal hops from all the other hops for about 1 week after I carbed it. Then the crystal hops dissapeared completely out of the hops formula and it just tasted very pleasently hoppy/skunky at the same time. Here is the recipe for 13.3 gallons boiled down to 12 gallons:
8.5 lb 2 row
8.5 lb pilsner
4.5 lb victory
0.75 lb munich light
0.75 red wheat malt

0.65 oz horizon 11.6% 25 min
0.55 oz chinook 13.1 % 25 min
2 oz columbus 17% 17 min
0.75 oz amarillo 9.6% 10 min
1 oz crystal 3.1% 10 min




The second was an all wheat porter with late hops added the same way as above. I am not impressed with the hops/bitter balancing in this beer. The roastiness from the porter overwhelms any discernable hops character at all - My tastebuds say Hopburst doesn't mix well with Roastiness.

I am intrigued with hopburst ales. I haven't experimented enough with these but I hope what I have learned might help another. My question is when doing a hopburst ale, what kind of difference will using a bittering high alpha hop like Summit/Columbus/Horizon make vs a large amount of aroma/flavor hop such as Crystal/Cascade in an amount to achieve the same bitterness?

Note I am curious to try an ESB as a hopburst ale using the only "noble" high alpha hop that I know of being Horizon. Any thoughts on how that would turn out??

[macgruffus]

My only recommendation is be extra careful if you are doing a concentrated extract boil and late hop addition. The higher concentration will affect your utilization.

David

[BrotherhoodBrew]

I Did this one two weeks ago and it is tasting pretty good so far. I just kegged it and it is clearing but the samples are very hoppy with a nice malt balance.

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BeerSmith Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Style: American Pale Ale
TYPE: All Grain


Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 6.50 gal     
Boil Size: 7.85 gal
Estimated OG: 1.052 SG
Estimated Color: 7.6 SRM
Estimated IBU: 41.5 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Boil Time: 75 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount     Item                                           Type          % or IBU 
11.50 lb   Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)                 Grain         85.19 %   
0.50 lb    Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM)          Grain         3.70 %   
0.50 lb    Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM)          Grain         3.70 %   
0.50 lb    Munich Malt (9.0 SRM)                          Grain         3.70 %   
0.50 lb    Victory Malt (25.0 SRM)                        Grain         3.70 %   
2.00 oz    Galena [13.40 %]  (10 min)                     Hops          27.3 IBU 
2.00 oz    Amarillo [7.00 %]  (10 min)                    Hops          14.3 IBU 
1.50 oz    Amarillo [7.00 %]  (0 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep)   Hops           -       
1 Pkgs     California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) [Starter 20Yeast-Ale               


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 13.50 lb
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Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Step Time     Name               Description                         Step Temp     
60 min        Mash In            Add 16.88 qt of water at 167.1 F    154.0 F       


Notes:
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[BDawg]

I'm kind of partial to using a small 60 minute addition just to get some bitterness and (save on hops) then going with a bunch of 20 minute and later hops. This kind of gives me a decent "best of both worlds" approach.

my .02

[Terrazza]

Hey Brotherhood Brew, how are you liking that brew? Is the hoppiness disapearing as it ages by just a few weeks? So do you just have hop aroma at 10 minute additions/ are you getting any hop flavor or just aroma???? How does that settle with you?

That looks pretty crazy, but I'd try it!

I agree with the previous post to get some bitterness from a 60+ minute boil, especially to save some hops. Maybe use some firstwort hops too on the low end to get at least 10 IBUs of the total bitterness, and then dump a bunch of hops in at the end....