Need Help Reculturing Chimay Yeast

Thu May 04, 2006 11:29 am

I will be brewing a Chimay (Red) clone soon and would like to use the yeast from an actual bottle of Chimay. Does anyone know a good procedure for doing this? I'm assuming I will have to start small and build it up?

I've never recultured yeast before so could someone please walk me through a day by day step by step, that would be great. For an example, if I plan on brewing on a Saturday, should I start on MONDAY with 22 oz bottle, the remaining Chimay yeast, and some DME? Then bump it up each day?

Thank you in advance!
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Thu May 04, 2006 1:27 pm

If you are culturing from the bottom of the bottle I would start small and double the volume with each step until you have at least a liter of thick slurry. My guess is that you will not have that much yeast to begin with so I personally would start at 250 ml or less depending on how much was recovered from the bottle.

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Thu May 04, 2006 1:45 pm

because of the alco volume in chimay, its very hard to culture its yeast, you will find if you do get growth it may be a little mutant, for your first attempt at culturing try somthing lesss than 6% abv, and a good fresh sample
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Fri May 05, 2006 6:47 am

DON'T DO IT!!

It's not the same yeast they use to ferment the Beer. They ONLY use this strain for bottling. I know because:
A - they told me this at my LHBS after:
B - I did it with Chimay Blue and it was like Chimay on CRACK. You know that nice fruity Chimay flavor? Think of that but times 10.

That said, if you want to use this yeast for bottling only, you would just do as the others have said and start small, bumping it up. I did it as follows with just 3 Ball Canning Jars:

1 - Leave the last 1/4" in the bottle. Swirl it up and pour into about 1 or 2 cups of Wort in a canning jar. I used the ring of the Jar but not the lid. Instead I put plastic wrap over the jar and then screwed down the ring over it. That way I could see if fermentation started.

2 - Next day you should have some more yeast at the bottom of the jar. Pour off as much of the liquid as possible and repeat step 1.

3 - Do it again but fill the jar about 3/4 of the way up.

4 - Pour off as much liquid as possible and make a starter OR:

4 - Pour off as much liquid as possible. Pour distilled or boiled water into the jar and swirl it up. Wait a bit and then pour the liquid into another (sanitized) jar. The water contains the suspended yeast and the stuff that settles out first is trub and junk. Repeat until the yeast is clean and leave it in the fridge with a little distilled water on it for up to a month or two (when it starts turning brown it is trash).

You can use this method for culturing any yeast you want from Bottle to fermenter. If you are going to store it there are better resources to check into, and if OZ isn't drunk he can explain it real well :)

That said, I repeat that I HIGHLY recommend you use a nice Wyeast or WLP Belgian Ale strain (perhaps one of the WLP Trappist strains), and only use Chimay yeast from the bottle for bottle conditioning.

Either way you decide to do it, it is fun and educational too!! :)

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Fri May 05, 2006 8:03 pm

My experience with culturing from Chimay Red dregs is quite the opposite. The Red does use the same yeast for bottling and fermenting. It works very well and produces great beer.

I have done this 4 or 5 times now and have great results every time. I start with about 50 ml of wort and double it every day until I hit a full liter or more.

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Tue May 09, 2006 6:58 am

BugeaterBrewing wrote:My experience with culturing from Chimay Red dregs is quite the opposite. The Red does use the same yeast for bottling and fermenting. It works very well and produces great beer.


After my Blue experience I'm skeptical, but I may just give it a shot.

Let us know how it works out BrewBlender!

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Thu May 11, 2006 7:20 am

About 3 years ago I started culturing from bottles, and had very poor success. The only one I really could get to work was Pacman, and I attribute this to its freshness and the fact that this yeast is completely psychotic at chewing sugar. Chimay red was one of the worst for this, I eventually did get a culture going and fermented 5 gal with it, which made horrible beer. So I gave up.

Then a buddy of mine told me how the biochemists grow yeast and so I took that knowledge and applied it to the homebrewing setting.

It goes like this: drill a hole through an airlock next to the regular hole. Push a piece of tubing through that and connect an airstone to it. Hook up an aquarium pump witha sterile filter on it. Place this apparatus your normal starter vessel. Next, for nutrition use 20g/L sugar and about 3g/L nitrogen (DAP will do). Add this every other day to the culture. In the first installment use like 500mL then every addition thereafter use the smallest volume water that can dissolve the sugar and nitrogen. Of course use sterile technique, ie sanitize everything very well, including the bottle you are about to get the yeast from. This whole thing will foam like crazy and will come out of your airlock, so if you have a stirplate you are good. If no stir plate is present, use something to break the surface tension, like cooking oil.

This method works so well that it doesnt really depend on freshness of the bottle, only one viable cell is required. Also using this method the cell count will roughly double every 90 min.

Using this I have started a yeast library and so far have:
WY3463
WL530
WY1388
Ch'Ti Biere de Garde lager yeast
Dupont
A culture for lambic taken from about 10 different bottles of lambic
Allagash
La Choulette
Saison D'Erpe -Mere from Kleinbrouwerij de Glazen Toren

I blow up all cultures to a quantity that can pitch 10gal, then put in sterile mason jars and put them in the fridge. Soon I will make glycerol stocks for ultimate longevity.

Unfortunately my llibrary exceeds my capacity to brew, therefore I havent used them all yet, but by the end of the summer I plan to have brewed with all of them. Mostly planning old standby recipes in 10 gallon batches to do 5 gallon side by side comparisons of the yeasts.

I hope this helps with the Chimay culturing, enjoy.
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