Sweet/Milk Stout

[NikoBrew]

I JUST listened to this Jamil show and I've never had this style before but it sounds friggin' delicious. I scaled the gravity down a bit to be about 5% abv then to a 3 gal batch, and here's my question:

The base malt is maris otter, would if I used a combination of 2row and munich? Scaled down it's 4lb 5oz maris otter, and I've got 2lb weyermann munich already milled (leftover from a recent brew). I know JZ says the reason he wants maris otter is because it's biscuity, though as munich is supposed to be bready and 2row more neutral I figured it may work. Any thoughts?

By the way here's what I plan on:

4lb 5oz Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM)
6oz Black (Patent) Malt (500.0 SRM) 6oz
4.5oz lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L (80.0 SRM) 4.5oz
4.5oz lb Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) 4.5oz

Hops:
1.50 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (60 min) - (I didn't lower the hops from the recipe I read which was already scaled to 5%ish abv, could lower this if needed)

Extras:
4.5 oz malto dextrine (Boil 5.0 min)
1/2lb 1.00 lb Milk Sugar (Lactose) (0.0 SRM) (5 min before boil ends)

[dmtaylor]

I think your recipe is off to a great start. Munich should be great in a sweet stout. Left Hand uses Munich in theirs, if I am not mistaken, and it is one of the world standards AFAIC. A few suggestions:

1) I might take the black patent malt down from 6 to 5 ounces. You'll get a little less acrid burntness that way. Even better would be to trade some of the 5 or 6 ounces for roasted barley for an improved coffee-like stout flavor. Black malt tastes, well, burnt, with a slight licorice sort of a note, while roasted barley is not as burnt and is pretty much essential for any stout.

2) Lose the maltodextrin. With all that lactose in there, you won't need both. Both maltodextrin and lactose accomplish the same thing, so you just need one or the other, and only about 1/2 pound total of either one for a 3-gallon batch. Much more than that, and your beer could end up being a thick syrupy mess.

3) Finally, I would cut the hops down to 1.25 ounces, or even less. You want this to be a sweet stout, right? Even at 1.25 ounces, it could have around 40 IBUs, which seems quite high. Maybe try 1.0 ounce, or somewhere in between. Right?

Good luck!

[Mylo]

I think you're fine with the 2-Row and a little Munich. I basically just did that. I would loose the Black Patent all together, in favor or more chocolate, some roasted barley, and a touch of special B. The fucking beer turned out tight. Marris Otter is one of my favorite malts - and probably a little more historically correct - but fuck it. You're in the US, now.

America... FUCK YEAH!


Mylo

[MNHazmat]

I just tapped a keg of the sweet stout from Brewing Classic Styles. I added 1lb of toasted flaked oats to the mash and then dry hopped with 4 bags of unsweetened organic coconut chips. Sweet mother this beer is good!

[thatguy314]

This is a style about balancing roastiness and sweetness. Jamil's recipe is both VERY roasty and VERY sweet, which contrast and balance each other. Yours has a lot less roast but just as much lactose as his. It's probably going to end up fairly sweet, and I worry a little cloying. I would either up the roast or decrease the lactose.

[NikoBrew]

This is a style about balancing roastiness and sweetness. Jamil's recipe is both VERY roasty and VERY sweet, which contrast and balance each other. Yours has a lot less roast but just as much lactose as his. It's probably going to end up fairly sweet, and I worry a little cloying. I would either up the roast or decrease the lactose.

Word on balance, I actually have 1/2lb lactose on the list didn't jz use a full pound?

So I think I'll plug JZ's into beersmith and brewmate and play with it to get lower abv and 1/2 the volume. I think my WIFE may even like it! Sweet mother of god that would be amazing I JUST thought of that! Hazmat your additions sound awesome as well!

Thanks army...oh yeah on the hops..yeah I really should just use 1oz, they're all in 2oz packs already though lol this must be how you guys feel when you buy hops from me

[thatguy314]

This is a style about balancing roastiness and sweetness. Jamil's recipe is both VERY roasty and VERY sweet, which contrast and balance each other. Yours has a lot less roast but just as much lactose as his. It's probably going to end up fairly sweet, and I worry a little cloying. I would either up the roast or decrease the lactose.

Word on balance, I actually have 1/2lb lactose on the list didn't jz use a full pound?

So I think I'll plug JZ's into beersmith and brewmate and play with it to get lower abv and 1/2 the volume. I think my WIFE may even like it! Sweet mother of god that would be amazing I JUST thought of that! Hazmat your additions sound awesome as well!

Thanks army...oh yeah on the hops..yeah I really should just use 1oz, they're all in 2oz packs already though lol this must be how you guys feel when you buy hops from me

Oh. It says both 1/2 pound and 1 pound lactose there.. just saw the 1 pound. Half of that will be good I think. My advise is to err on the side of drinkability. That way you can drink your mistakes.

You can always backsweeten with a boiled lactose solution too, since it's unfermentable. I'm not sure adding roast afterwards would work as well.

[NikoBrew]

So how about this? Will add 1/2 lb lactose as well..


Sweet Ass Stout (Sweet Stout)
Original Gravity Final Gravity

Colour (SRM / EBC)
Bitterness Alcohol by Volume
1.054 1.014 45.0 / 88.7 40.7 IBU 5.2%

Brewhouse Specs
Recipe Type Batch Size Boil Time Efficiency
All Grain 11.4 Litres / 3.0 Gal 60.0 min 72.0%

Fermentables
Name Type SRM Percentage Amount
American 2-Row Grain 1.8 47.24 % 1.36 Kg / 3.00 Lbs
Munich I Grain 7.1 31.50 % 0.91 Kg / 2.00 Lbs
Black Patent Grain 525.0 9.45 % 0.27 Kg / 0.60 Lbs
Crystal 80 Grain 80.0 7.09 % 0.20 Kg / 0.45 Lbs
Chocolate, Pale Grain 200.0 4.72 % 0.14 Kg / 0.30 Lbs

Hops
Name AA% Amount Use Time
East Kent Golding 5.9% 28.35 g / 1.00 oz Boil 60 mins

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