Re: need help Smash recipe

Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:41 am

well mash over near the end temp 150...is it too low?

drained bag here comes the boil

tks for all the help ppl
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Re: need help Smash recipe

Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:48 pm

meh, I always loose a little heat, Just wondering if you insulated the bottom of the kettle as well, I started doing that after about my 4th batch not holding steady at my specified temperature. I started setting my kettle on a metal table I have and laying down an old coat and cardboard down to insolate the bottom. put the box the kettle came in over the kettle and wrap that in a sleeping bag. This holds my temp +,- 1 degree over an hour.

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Re: need help Smash recipe

Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:15 am

Hello PPL .
Well, batch is fermenting steady at 62 F ambient , yesterday it rise up a bit but it is controlled wonderfull cascade smell .
Think I over shot my gravity... From 1.060 to 1.080... Or I screw up my math

Og pre-boil was 1.070 , after boil was 1,080.... Sample was good , oh my why I only did 9 liters......
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Re: need help Smash recipe

Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:19 am

meku wrote:How can I calculate my new efficiency? All data I calculated was from â„…70 efficiency .


http://www.howtobrew.com/section2/chapter12-5.html

Read this over a couple times. If you have brewing software, you could always just put in your recipe & change the efficiency setting until pre/post boil gravities match what you actually got.
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Re: need help Smash recipe

Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:12 pm

Hello ppl, tkhs everyone for the help.
So, some data from the batch:
Og : 1.080
Fg : 1,012 (12 days fermenting at 64F)
Abv 6,8%

Taste from the test sample bitter, and cascade all over.
Dry hop 28 grams will wait 7 days... What do you think???

One thing , I'm from Europe so I don't know if the level of bitterness is OK , i think the level of this will be like a IPA but i never tasted one

never experienced something like this....next week will bottle this next coming IPA ,need to get a simple recipe.
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Re: need help Smash recipe

Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:11 pm

With an OG of 1.080 and an FG of 1.012, your ABV is 9%. It would be very difficult to make a beer too bitter with that ABV. The thing that would concern me is that you're at 85% attenuation which would be very hard to attain under normal circumstances. I'm thinking that the off-flavors that you're perceiving as too much bitterness is really some other sort of off-flavor caused by too high of a fermentation temperature.
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Re: need help Smash recipe

Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:04 am

Bitterness is in the palette of the perceiver :wink: Looking at the recipe again, it's a considerable amount of Cascades into a fairly small batch. I would hope it tastes like Cascade all over. :D But without knowing how sensitive your palette is to bitterness in general it's pretty tough to say.

BeaverBarber wrote:With an OG of 1.080 and an FG of 1.012, your ABV is 9%. It would be very difficult to make a beer too bitter with that ABV.


Not really. Malt sweetness & ABV are completely different things & it's quite simple to make a high alcohol, insanely bitter beer. Most every triple IPA fits in that category. Again, palette sensitivity is the key here. If I were to taste this sample, I might not find it bitter what so ever. But I drink a lot of APA & IPA's, especially compared to someone who's never tasted one.

BeaverBarber wrote:The thing that would concern me is that you're at 85% attenuation which would be very hard to attain under normal circumstances. I'm thinking that the off-flavors that you're perceiving as too much bitterness is really some other sort of off-flavor caused by too high of a fermentation temperature.


Again, not at all. 85% is easily obtainable considering the lack of specialty malts & a few other factors. I would expect it more with a lower mash temp, but then again we don't know the calibration history on any of the instruments taking measurements. The 154 mash ending at 150 could easily be off by a couple degrees, increasing attenuation considerably. As for too high of a fermentation temp, 64 is not too high in anyone's book for that strain, no matter how high they are at the time. Besides, higher temps don't automatically mean a greater attenuation as much as how fast it gets there. Take the forced ferment tests, for example, when you take a small sample of the wort after pitching & ferment it out in a day or 2 at high temps. It's an old school method of determining your approximate fermentability & FG.

All in all, I'd say stick to your original plan, pull a Jen Talley & dry hop the shit out of it. You made no mention of obvious off flavors, only mentioning that it tastes bitter which I'm assuming is just how you're perceiving it from lack of exposure to over the top west-coast hop bombs. The dry hops won't increase the bitterness, & in an all Cascade brew, they might actually help as I find they lend a slightly sweet flavor note. If the first bottle is still a little over the top, just wait a little bit & the flavors will start to mellow & come together a bit more. Again, since you're not drinking this type of beer all the time, I'd recommend going a little light on the carbonation as well. It'll take some of the sharpness off the final product & might help you get into the style a little easier. You'll be begging for Pliney recipes before you know it.
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Re: need help Smash recipe

Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:59 am

I don't even have to taste his beer, and I know that Oz is a great brewer. I'm only talking from personal experience that when I taste my homebrews, and I'm not happy with the results, it's usually something I've done wrong. In my experience, your attenuation numbers are a little bit of a concern, but it's entirely possible that you've done everything correctly and you're still not 100% pleased with the results. Time certainly changes things. I have a beer that I thought was way too bitter 2 weeks ago, and it's perfect now. But I'd look for other off-flavors like green apple, butterscotch, or hot fusel alcohols. Extreme hops can disguise other problems, but try to be discerning. See what your friends think. If you have a wife or girlfriend, give some to her; they're always honest like a 6 year old...sometimes too critical. When your beer passes the wife/girlfriend test, you know you've finally got it right.
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