Re: Kentucky Common

Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:44 am

AdamWiz wrote:So if I understand this correctly, if I do something like the procedure I discussed above, I should actually wait to brew the main batch until the small batch is sour to my liking and then add it to the boil while doing the main brew?(rather than separate fermentations and blending) Otherwise it will just continue to get more and more sour after I blend?


Exactamundo. Dixon's recipe actually has you first make a mini-mash with 20% of the base malt, just like normal, and then be sure to mash out above 170 F. But then, skip the boil, skip the hops, and get it into a fermenter right away and cooled down to <90 F. Then, instead of adding yeast, you throw in a handful of raw uncrushed base malt. He also says that as an alternative you can use yogurt containing active Lacto cultures instead of raw malt. Then the wild Lacto-containing critters are allowed to ferment for about 3-4 days. After that time is up, the mini-batch will smell like rotten pancake batter that's been sitting out for 3-4 days, which, I know it's crazy, but it's a good thing. Then you brew the main batch with the other 80% of the base malt plus specialty grains, adding also the sour mini-batch to the main mash during the sparge phase. Then you're back to normal, boil and add your hops, etc. So the wild stuff actually gets sparged with the rest of the batch to remove any excess chunks, thereby getting boiled with the rest as well.

I know, it's all so different, but it's really not too complicated. You're basically just getting a little wort sour for a few days, then brewing a regular batch, and adding in the soured stuff before the boil so that it gets killed off. Which results in a *slightly* tart and funky beer, but it's not unpleasant and gives a uniquely delicious character.
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Re: Kentucky Common

Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:07 pm

I'm from Louisville and have tasted a local brewpubs version and know one of the guys that resurrected the style. Sourness is definitely an element and the original recipes attain the sourness by doing a partial sour mash. About 10% of your mash should be done before the rest, allowed to sour for a day or two, then added to the rest of the mash before lautering. That way the lactic acid is from wild fermentation, but is also before the boil.
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Re: Kentucky Common

Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:48 pm

One way to add lactic sourness that nobody has mentioned is to substitute a percentage of your base malt with acidulated malt (sauermalz). It's said you can begin to detect the lactic acid flavor around 6%. Weyermann recommends 8% for a Berliner Weiss. I might start there and see how it turns out. Much easier and more repeatable than a sour mash.
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Re: Kentucky Common

Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:49 pm

But nowhere near as much fun.
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Re: Kentucky Common

Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:24 am

Just doing it with sour malt would hurt your mash efficiency tremendously. Optimal mash pH is 5.2, not 4.0.

The reason to sour it after is so that the mash works right and then you deal with the lacto.

On an related note, the last issue of Zymurgy had an awesome article on the best way to prepare a sour mash using a soured starter. Can't wait to try it out.
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Re: Kentucky Common

Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:56 pm

thatguy314 wrote:Just doing it with sour malt would hurt your mash efficiency tremendously. Optimal mash pH is 5.2, not 4.0.

The reason to sour it after is so that the mash works right and then you deal with the lacto.

On an related note, the last issue of Zymurgy had an awesome article on the best way to prepare a sour mash using a soured starter. Can't wait to try it out.


So add the sauermalz to the mash after everything else has had a chance to convert. Problem solved and still easier than a sour mash.

"Tremendously" easier. :P

More repeatable/tweakable result, too.
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Re: Kentucky Common

Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:21 am

I've made this style twice... both times I took about 2 lbs. of the combined grist (25% flaked maize) and made a small sour mash about 3 days ahead of time in a disposable container. I just used a plastic cylinder with a screw on top that pretzels come in and added the grist and some hot water to equalize at 150F. I then set this outside for a few hours to convert, get infected with whatever was out there, and cool off. Then I put the lid on it loosely and let it do its thing for three days, and just added this soured portion to the main mash on brew day. I'm sure it helped conversion with the lower pH, and any bugs in there got killed during the boil and didn't affect the main fermentation.
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