Schwarzbier Recipes Anyone?

[Danno]

I have an intererest in brewing a Schwarbier but haven't brewed one before so I'm looking for a recipe. It looks like primarily a Munch malt grist with somewhere in the neighborhood of 20% Pils malt and some carafa. Surprisingly, only Carafa II is found around Portland but if it really needs it, I'll order the proper Carafa on line. Since the Carafa flavor is a tight range to achieve a "noticeable (but not high) roasted malt edge to balance the malt base" I'm concerned about adding too little or too much. So what are we talking about here; 1 to 2%?

I have homegrown Santiam hops which are a Tett descendent and works well in my lagers except where I prefer the Saaz character (Bo Pils). I also have some 830 yeast from a recent run of a Pilsner, BocK & Rauchbier ready for pitching. So I'm really interested in the malt bill, specifically, the Carafa. Help please? Jamil?

[zymurgest]

Well, fwiw, Carafa II is what I use in my Schwartz Bier, and it tastes very much like what you'd expect a Schwartz Bier to taste like. Alternatively, you could also use Sinmar, which is a coloring solution for adjusting color w/o affecting flavor. I work at Steinbart's so I'll ask the owner if he can get some of the other Carafa also. Below is a recipe from my Great Grandfather's brewery that turns out very well each time I make it. Sounds like I'll have to make some again real soon now ;^)

Single infusion mash at 148'F for 120 minutes (1.33 qts/lb), vorlauf till clear(er) ~ 10-20 minutes, then sparge with 10 gallons 170'F acidulated liquor for 90-120 minutes, then boil for 90 minutes hopping at times below then chill to 60'F and pitch Wyeast 2112 or White Labs Calif Lager yeast. primary till beer falls clear (~7-12 days), then lager at 35'F for 4-6 weeks. Carbonate as for a pils ~2.5 atm +/- to taste.

5 lbs Weyermann Pils
5 lbs Weyermann Vienna
5 lbs Weyermann Munich
1 lb Caramunich
2 oz Carafa II or 10cc Sinmar extract
16 HBU Hallertau Mittelfrue FWH
1 oz Tettnanger at 30 minutes
1 oz Spalt select at 5 minutes
1 oz Hallertau Mittelfrue at KO
OG 1.048 TG 1.012 ETOH ~ 4.7% Abv
IBU ~ 30 SRM ~ 30
Tastes just like a German Pils, except with a slight roast background character and dark brown to reddish black color.