Orange and Cloves in holiday beer

[huskerbrew]

I want to make a "holiday saison" or biere de noel using wyeast 3711 french saison or European ale yeast respectively. I want to add a classic orange/clove flavor, though not overpowering--just a hint or note. Anyone use this combo or more specifically the clove. I don't want this to be medicinal. Is 6-8 grams in 10 gallons enough or too much?

[Elbone]

A little orange peel would be traditional in a Saison but it should be subtle- maybe the peel of half a fresh orange in a 5-gallon batch. The phenolic clove-y flavors should be yeast-derived. Use a good Belgian or Saison strain at the right fermentation temps and there will be no need to add cloves. The yeast will pump out all the clove you want.