How much wheat needed to make a cloudy beer?

[stadelman]

I'd like to make a cloudy pale ale. I was thinking of subbing some of base malt with some wheat malt. '

Will this work? If so, what sort of percentage of the grain bill should I go for?

Thanks!

[Travisty]

I don't think that wheat itself makes for a cloudy beer. In a hefeweizen, it's the yeast that constitutes most of the cloudiness. If I wanted a cloudy beer, I would make sure to skip any kettle fining additions (whirl floc or irish moss) and maybe even add a little bit of corn starch to the boil. I'm sure there are other tricks I don't know about.

Out of curiousity, why the desire to make a cloudy pale ale?

[stadelman]

Thanks for the idea.

Good question- I'm working on a house pale ale recipe. I'm shooting for a copper color cloudy beer. It's probably odd, but I really like the looks of a cloudy beer.

[stadelman]

One of the commercial beers that I really like is Rogue's Yellow Snow. This is a cloudy beer.

Rogue's website gives the general recipe. http://www.rogue.com/beers/yellow-snow-ipa.php

I'm wondering if carapils is the source of Yellow Snow's cloudiness.

Pac man yeast is supposed to be medium to highly flocculant, so I wouldn't think that would be it.

[Kbar]

I don't think that wheat itself makes for a cloudy beer. In a hefeweizen, it's the yeast that constitutes most of the cloudiness. If I wanted a cloudy beer, I would make sure to skip any kettle fining additions (whirl floc or irish moss) and maybe even add a little bit of corn starch to the boil. I'm sure there are other tricks I don't know about.

Out of curiousity, why the desire to make a cloudy pale ale?

?? Correct me if I am wrong, but is it not the protein levels of the wheat that contribute to the cloudiness of the Hefeweizen beer style?? Not necessarily the yeast strain........

[BDawg]

I don't think that wheat itself makes for a cloudy beer. In a hefeweizen, it's the yeast that constitutes most of the cloudiness. If I wanted a cloudy beer, I would make sure to skip any kettle fining additions (whirl floc or irish moss) and maybe even add a little bit of corn starch to the boil. I'm sure there are other tricks I don't know about.

Out of curiousity, why the desire to make a cloudy pale ale?

?? Correct me if I am wrong, but is it not the protein levels of the wheat that contribute to the cloudiness of the Hefeweizen beer style?? Not necessarily the yeast strain........

It's usually the yeast but the protein is known to contribute as well.
Skip the irish moss/whirlfloc and you'll increase the haze.

HTH-

[animaldoc]

It depends what you really want to achieve - hazy or cloudy?

The cloudiness of a hefe is from the ...... well, hefe
The lack of clarity seen in many wheat-containing beer is a protein haze. Unmalted wheat would be a good ingredient .... search turbid mashing or check out Brewing With Wheat by Stan Hieronymus

[Chupa LaHomebrew]

Try some flaked barley or oats, it will probably get you some nice haze, way more pound for pound than wheat. 5-10%?