Wyeast 1007 in altbier

Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:04 am

Brewed Jamil's Cowboy Alt from BCS this weekend. Pitched FR night. Had built up a starter using Wyeast 1007 german ale from a smack pack during the week prior. I didn't think I needed to big a starter, but some feedback I heard suggested go bigger than you might think due to the low ferment temp (60° F). Started with 1.2L starter (that's all I had enough DME for at the time). Use a 2L flask, swirling manually here and there. It seemed done, so I chilled it after a few days. Got more DME, decanted the starter, and added another Liter of stater wort. This took off and was very active. Again, after a few days it mellow and finished. I chilled in the fridge, decanted, and used for the brew FR night.

OG was 1.050. Did a 90 minute mash (at 149°) given the pilsen base malt, as well as a 90 minute boil. Transfered (via racking cane) 5.5 gal to the bucket. I don't aerate, so I simply poured a few times between two sanitized buckets, creating a ton of foam.

By Sat morning it was bubbling steadily. Use a bucket, and have a hose attached to the cheap plastic airlock, running into a growler of starsan solution. Sunday it was REALLY cooking. Sunday night I checked and the growler water was now a hazy tan color. I replaced the blow off with a clean airlock, cleaned it, new starsan solution in the growler, and put it back on. Found the same thing this morning (did the same process). The activity had slowed slightly (not much, but a bit compared to the heavy activity of Sunday).

Is it strange to have a 1.050 beer blow off like this? Is it because of the particular yeast strand being a top cropper?

Just curious. Thankfully the airlock never looked really clogged, as there's not a lot of hop matter in this beer. Just surprised by the amount of activity in the blowoff.
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Re: Wyeast 1007 in altbier

Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:54 pm

I have used that yeast strain many times and it is a true top cropper that loves to rage in the fermenter. I usually get a pretty rocky krausen that comes close to blowing out of my carboy if I don't catch it in time with some ferm cap. You should try some ferm-cap S to help keep the krausen down and you probably wouldn't even need a blow-off tube at all.

Just an aside, I am fermenting 5.5 gallons of english brown ale in a 6 gallon carboy. Before I went to work this morning I added just a few drops of ferm-cap to make sure the London Ale yeast didn't make a mess of my carboy. Sure enough when I got home, the krausen was well under control and fermenting strongly. Love the ferm-cap and no, I don't work for them!
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Re: Wyeast 1007 in altbier

Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:36 am

I need to get some ferm-cap... keep forgetting about it. Time to write it down on the "to do" list. So it has no negative effects on the beer? Just keeps the krausen down?

When I checked the bucket after work last night and there was no sign of krausen in the tube, and it's slowed overall.

Wondering with the alt if I should raise the temp a couple degrees as the ferment nears the end to clean it up, or if that's not really a concern given the 60° ferment temp

brewinhard wrote:I have used that yeast strain many times and it is a true top cropper that loves to rage in the fermenter. I usually get a pretty rocky krausen that comes close to blowing out of my carboy if I don't catch it in time with some ferm cap. You should try some ferm-cap S to help keep the krausen down and you probably wouldn't even need a blow-off tube at all.

Just an aside, I am fermenting 5.5 gallons of english brown ale in a 6 gallon carboy. Before I went to work this morning I added just a few drops of ferm-cap to make sure the London Ale yeast didn't make a mess of my carboy. Sure enough when I got home, the krausen was well under control and fermenting strongly. Love the ferm-cap and no, I don't work for them!
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Re: Wyeast 1007 in altbier

Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:42 pm

I do a D-rest on all my ferments just to be safe. The Fermcap won't hurt your beer, just use as directed. I use it in starters too.
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Re: Wyeast 1007 in altbier

Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:12 pm

I brewed that same recipe, with the same yeast (1 fresh smackpack in a 1.5L starter) a few months ago, and it turned out great. Despite the vIgarous fermentation, I gave it an extra week, and raised the temp to 62 after day 16, just to make sure it finished. OG 1.049; FG 1.011.

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Re: Wyeast 1007 in altbier

Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:46 am

dogismycopilot wrote:I brewed that same recipe, with the same yeast (1 fresh smackpack in a 1.5L starter) a few months ago, and it turned out great. Despite the vIgarous fermentation, I gave it an extra week, and raised the temp to 62 after day 16, just to make sure it finished. OG 1.049; FG 1.011.

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Yeah, I should likely let it go a full 2 weeks. It's noticeable slowed (burping through the blow-off every 5-6 seconds now) ... now on day 6. Wondering if giving the bucket a little swirl is a good idea given it's a top-cropper. Only other top-cropping yeast I've used was WLP 300 bavarian hefe last spring (all extract batch) which was constantly stalling and only got down to about 1.018. Had to swirl it to try to get the yeast active. Granted, a different yeast, temp, etc... plus I didn't have any kind of real temp control at that point.

Suppose I should take a gravity reading soon to see where it's at after those first few days of heavy activity.
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Re: Wyeast 1007 in altbier

Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:04 pm

You shouldn't need to swirl that one. The great thing about that strain (WY 1007) is that it really stays in suspension so well that it will quickly consume fermentable sugars as well as cleaning up after itself in a timely manner. A good long cold conditioning is a MUST for that strain.
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Re: Wyeast 1007 in altbier

Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:14 pm

brewinhard wrote:You shouldn't need to swirl that one. The great thing about that strain (WY 1007) is that it really stays in suspension so well that it will quickly consume fermentable sugars as well as cleaning up after itself in a timely manner. A good long cold conditioning is a MUST for that strain.


Yup. Planning to move it to the fridge for 4 weeks or so before bottling. So you feel that their should still be enough in suspension come bottling time? Figured I might try to suck up a little of the sediment from the secondary when racking to the bottling bucket.
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