Water hardness questions

[rich]

I agree that water chemistry is not so big a deal for the extract brewer. But as an "advanced extract brewer" I've found that water chemistry does indeed play a roll, outside the mash.

Two main chemicals extract brewers should concern themselves with are calcium and sulphates.

Proper calcium levels are important for clarity, by aiding in protein sedimentation, tannins removal and overall flavor. This reduces chill haze and general cloudiness.

Sulphates play a major roll in hop utilization, yeast flocculation and overall flavor. The famous "extract flavor" is usually a result of high sulphates and clorides.

Since I started tweeking my water, even a very refined pallate would be hard put to identify my beer as as an extract/steeped brew. <rich braces himself for rebuttals>

[trans]

George and rich...thanks for the replies.

Yes, I heard that water isn't such a huge deal with extract, and I haven't found it to be so thus far.

What rich says makes sense though, and I'd be interested to see what others say about it. Rich, are you referring to the "advanced extract brewer" as an extract with specialty grains brewer, as opposed to just a purely extract brewer?

I've only not used specialty grains once, and that beer turned out pretty bad. I think that was due to fermentation issues though.

Anywho, I hope somebody replies to what rich says and can further my understanding on the matter.

- joe

[rich]

. Rich, are you referring to the "advanced extract brewer" as an extract with specialty grains brewer, as opposed to just a purely extract brewer?
- joe

I used the term "advanced extract brewer" lightly, meaning there are plenty of areas in brewing to improve upon, sans going all grain: Santation, yeast and fermentaion, water, adjucnts, focusing on style, ect.

Yes I brew with extracts (DME) and specality grains. The biggest single step I took in improving my beer was going to full volume boils. I guess, in a way I've been slowly working my way up to all grain. Although, I'm in no hurry to go all grain, and am quite happy with my beer.