Extreme Raisin?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:04 am

I have done some extract brews recently that all have a common flavor that doesn't seem to jive with other people's descriptions of the "twang". At first I thought of it as slightly sour, but after drinking one of the brown ales last night, it struck me that it tasted almost exactly, and very strongly, like raisins.

I've heard/read of raisin-like flavors contributed by dark crystal, but I haven't heard of an extreme raisin problem before. There was dark crystal in one of the recipes. Another was a John Bull brown ale can and another extra light extract. Another was a kitchen sink winter spice beer with 2 cans of light extract and a bunch of various steeping grains.

This taste has encouraged me to swear off of cans and move to partial mash, my first batch of which is conditioning now. I still would like to understand where this flavor came from. Is it possibly a byproduct of old or poorly stored extract. I still have a case of this beer to drink, and I am likely to go insane if I don't figure out how that flavor got there.
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:04 am

I have heard a crazy notion that I am going to share with you. An extreme raisin flavor can be caused by adding raisins to the beer, during the boil, or in the fermenter.

Are YOU putting the raisins in? Perhaps your alternate personality is doing it to you?
Is your WIFE putting the raisins in?
Do you have a child, or a pet who would enjoy putting raisins in your beer?
Do you have a roommate who would put raisins in your beer?

Seriously though, what water do you use to brew with? Are you doing full or partial boils? How much are you boiling off? have you tried different types of extract, say Alexander's instead of John Bull?
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:15 am

Speyedr wrote:An extreme raisin flavor can be caused by adding raisins to the beer, during the boil, or in the fermenter.



Yuuuuummmm...

Raison d'Extra!!!!
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:19 am

You know...maybe it was the raisins I put in there!

No.

These were all concentrated boils. They have included John Bull, Mountmellick, and Muntons extracts. I haven't really been calculating my boil-off, but I think I've probably been boiling too "vigorosely" based on a recent Jamil show episode I listened to where he described his boil.
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:26 am

Also try DRY extract if you can get it... it stores better... or go with the all grain, good reason to upgrade if you can.
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:56 am

Norwalde wrote:These were all concentrated boils. They have included John Bull, Mountmellick, and Muntons extracts. I haven't really been calculating my boil-off, but I think I've probably been boiling too "vigorosely" based on a recent Jamil show episode I listened to where he described his boil.


Add "concentrated boil" to "too vigorous" and you get carmelized and maybe even raisiny depending on HOW vigorous.

I have been toying with the 30-min extract boil idea and I may have to do a few to see what happens. It wouldn't be good for all styles, but a Northern Brown, or a pale ale would probably work.
The idea is to limit the boil to 30-min and then bump up the hop additions to get your IBUs from the 30-min addition. Remember that you only need to pasteurize the extract, so a 60-minute boil doesn't need to be too vigorous.

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Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:11 pm

Just get a 40 dollar turkey fryer at lowes or Home depot and do full wort boils. You will be amazed by the difference in color and flavor in your extract beer. Also, the first time one of your neighbors comes by with the concerned look that you may be cooking meth in the yard is always priceless.
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:32 pm

macgruffus wrote:
Speyedr wrote:An extreme raisin flavor can be caused by adding raisins to the beer, during the boil, or in the fermenter.



Yuuuuummmm...

Raison d'Extra!!!!


Also a good beer for aging! Just had a bottle of it the other night after it sat around for about a year or so!
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