Re: Tasty's IPA Converting to Extract/Mini-Mash

Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:17 pm

BC,
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I have been listening to all the podcasts and now some a second time to try and absorb what I heard the first time. The calculator answer's all my questions.

On a side subject, what type of "all-grain" system are you working on? Single tier, stepped or something like the 1550? I am already looking ahead and want to start building something for the following year. As I have not brewed all-grain, it is getting somewhat confusing. I may poll the BN Masters such as Doc, Jamil and Tasty to see what they use or recommend.

What's your thoughts.
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Re: Tasty's IPA Converting to Extract/Mini-Mash

Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:03 pm

I was originally thinking about the single tier B3 system sized to make 10 gallon batches, but I may scale back and play around with an igloo cooler mash tun and gravity HLT first and hone my skills with 5 gallon batches first.

Once I get things figured out then I'll step up to the 10 gallon size eventually, but don't want to be getting up on ladders to brew that amount so it will be single tier.

So far I have a single burner and 7 1/2 gallon brewpot with a false bottom. My next upgrade is hooking up the March pump and adding the recirc option to immersion chiller to see if I can cool to pitching temperatures faster. At the moment I can get down to 75F in about 30 minutes then it is slow going, so I am also working on a pre-chiller that I can use with ice once I reach 70F.

I use the chilling water to irrigate the bananas and other plants in the garden, so the chilling water is not wasted.
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Re: Tasty's IPA Converting to Extract/Mini-Mash

Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:20 pm

I like the pre-chiller option that I saw on one of your pix. I am going to have the same problem as the tap water here is not that cool. It's would not bee to hard to put together another coil and a 5 gallon bucket with ice with a pump and just recirc it between the two.

I need to buy things over time so it is not a huge hit all at once so a pot here and a pump there will be where to start I guess. I have all the kegging and bottling things i need but I am looking around here for an old SS sing to rework into my garage. I see you pulled one from a restaurnat it looks like, nice score. I also have a lot of unistrut and connections so I am probably going to start there as this will save me some money as well.

I am planning on my first brew tis weekend so it should be fun.

Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: Tasty's IPA Converting to Extract/Mini-Mash

Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:26 am

TastyMcD wrote:I wouldn't back down too much on the 120 as a big part of the character of this beer is the 120 contrasting with the unique Chinook bitterness. You may want to back the mash temperature down to 153 or 152 if you're willing to give up some mouthfeel in exchange for fermentability. That said, it's a pretty hoppy beer so a higher FG just puts the beer more towards balanced instead of hop forward.

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I agree with Tasty here. Especially considering you are using so much extract in an IPA. Typically, extracts are highly fermentable, and you are left with a pretty boring/thin malt flavor if you don't back it up with something sweet. And with that much hops, you are going to need as much sweetness as you can get to help balance it out. One nice thing about big hoppy beers though, is if it is too hop forward at first, you can always sit on it and age it a bit until some of the hop forwardness drops out. Even letting it sit a couple more weeks can make a world of difference. Smoke beers are sort of the same way. At first, they may not seem so smokey, but as the hops start to drop out, the smoke starts really building. I got a Smoked robust porter that I have been sampleing from a batch that is a year old. At first, the smoke wasn't real big, but present. But now after a year, it is like a glass of bacon and not much hops.
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Re: Tasty's IPA Converting to Extract/Mini-Mash

Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:18 pm

Well for my first mini-mash, I found that my efficiency is much higher than expected...my OG was 1.080, 14 points higher than what I was shooting for. I ended up mashing at 165, and fermented down to 1.017. However, I had my first taste of this last night, and while a little under carbonated and still a little young (about 5 weeks), its damn tasty! With the higher OG, the maltyness comes through a little more, so its on the weaker end of an IPA, but I actually find it to be nicely balanced between bitterness and malt. I expect with a little more carbonation the hops will seem to have a little more bite.

Next time I'm going to try cutting the LME back to one can and using more 2-row malt...and adjust my efficiency.

Thanks to everyone for their help!
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Re: Tasty's IPA Converting to Extract/Mini-Mash

Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:26 am

What is mash hop? Is that just adding hops into the mash? What is the purpose of that compared to just putting the hops in the boil? It would seem you would get more utilization from boiling the hops. Any info on this would be appreciated.
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Re: Tasty's IPA Converting to Extract/Mini-Mash

Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:16 pm

Yes, mash hops are added to the mash tun.
Like First Wort Hopping, the target is to get flavor rather than bitterness. You get VERY little utilization from mash hops, because they are thrown away with the mash. The flavor stays around because the compounds bind with the wort and end up staying in the wort rather than volatizing out.

IMO, it's a waste of hops, but that's just me. (I use FWH a lot).
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Re: Tasty's IPA Converting to Extract/Mini-Mash

Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:47 am

Sorry, I'm new arround here. What is FWH? Also, has anyone noticed a difference in flavor using mash hops?
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