Arrogant Bastard clone?

[BeerMan]

Just stumbled across this thread I been working on an AB clone for the last year this is my 5th batch I'm satisfied with the grain bill but the hops still have me making adjustments, I have brewed with just Chinook and its not quite right so I'm trying a little cascade. Have 10 gallons in sec right now. Will post if hop adjustment is good.l


Mikes Arrogant Bastard

A ProMash Recipe Report

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
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19-B Strong Ale, English Barleywine

Min OG: 1.080 Max OG: 1.144
Min IBU: 35 Max IBU: 70
Min Clr: 8 Max Clr: 22 Color in SRM, Lovibond

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (Gal): 10.00 Wort Size (Gal): 10.00
Total Grain (Lbs): 33.82
Anticipated OG: 1.092 Plato: 21.94
Anticipated SRM: 21.6
Anticipated IBU: 134.5
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
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Evaporation Rate: 15.00 Percent Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size: 12.90 Gal
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.071 SG 17.31 Plato

Formulas Used
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Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Mosher
Hop IBU Formula Used: Rager


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
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66.5 22.50 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row) Great Britain 317.42 3
11.8 4.00 lbs. CaraMunich Malt Belgium 275.65 75
5.9 2.00 lbs. Biscuit Malt Belgium 292.36 24
5.9 2.00 lbs. CaraVienne Malt Belgium 284.01 22
6.9 2.32 lbs. Generic DME - Amber Generic 384.25 14
1.5 0.50 lbs. Aromatic Malt Belgium 300.71 25
1.5 0.50 lbs. Special B Malt Belgian 250.59 120

Potential represented as IOB- HWE ( L / kg ).


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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4.00 oz. Chinook Whole 13.00 102.7 75 min.
3.00 oz. Chinook Whole 13.00 24.3 20 min.
1.25 oz. Cascade Whole 5.75 2.7 10 min.
1.00 oz. Chinook Whole 13.00 4.8 10 min.


Yeast
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WYeast 1098 British Ale


Water Profile
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Profile: Indianols well
Profile known for: pH 6.5 - 8.5

Calcium(Ca): 34.0 ppm
Magnesium(Mg): 0.1 ppm
Sodium(Na): 18.0 ppm
Sulfate(SO4): 0.0 ppm
Chloride(Cl): 4.5 ppm
biCarbonate(HCO3): 103.6 ppm

pH: 7.00


Mash Schedule
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Mash Type: Single Step

Grain Lbs: 31.50
Water Qts: 32.00 - Before Additional Infusions
Water Gal: 8.00 - Before Additional Infusions

Qts Water Per Lbs Grain: 1.02 - Before Additional Infusions


Mash Rest Temp : 154 Time: 60
Sparge Temp : 180 Time: 15


Total Mash Volume Gal: 10.52 - Dough-In Infusion Only

All temperature measurements are degrees Fahrenheit.



Notes
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Batch sparging. I let it stand for 15 min prior to vorlauf, my system drains at about 1.5 gallons a minute

[LBrewski]

I have brewed with just Chinook and its not quite right so I'm trying a little cascade. Have 10 gallons in sec right now. Will post if hop adjustment is good.

Heck, post your results regardless

Somehow I doubt that Stone uses Cascade, so I'm interested to hear how this one comes out.

I have a recipe that I have brewed a few times that is similar to yours in terms of specialty malt, for hops I use Chinook, Columbus and Centennial. For what I have brewed I am not trying to clone AB, my version is a bit stronger, but having said that, it is very Arrogant-like.

[BeerMan]

I started out trying to archive the perfect clone but as you can see from my OG. I'm closer to the 10% abv of Double Bastard than the 7.2% abv of Arrogant Bastard. Check out the tasting notes for DB at stones web site keep seeing citrus as a hop descriptor.

[BeerMan]

I decided to go to the source about hops, from Mitch Steele reply I think cascades are in there or maybe not "Double Top Secret"

-----Original Message-----
From: Indianola Brew [mailto:indianolabrew@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:03 PM
To: Mitch Steele
Subject: Arrogant Bastard

Mitch
I'm a huge fan of the bastard, and pick up a bottle or two when I come
across them. I been Home brewing for about 10 years and when I find a
brew that is worthy I will try and clone it. I have been working on an
Arrogant Bastard clone for about a year, it is my most popular beer amongst my friends they love it. I'm satisfied with my grain bill but hops have been troubling me a bit I have been working Chinook and Chinook Cascade combinations. If it not against company policy or a deep dark stone secret that would get you shot for uttering it outside the secret circle could you tell me the type of hops you are using in Arrogant Bastard.

Thanks and keep up the great brewing.
Mike

Mike:
Unfortunately, I can't talk about Arrogant Bastard Ale ingredients. Any
ingredient in this beer is considered "Double Top Secret". I think you'd
get close to the profile with the hops you are using, though. Just use
LOTS of 'em!

Good luck, and thanks for the note!
Mitch

[LBrewski]

I decided to go to the source about hops, from Mitch Steele reply I think cascades are in there or maybe not "Double Top Secret"

Sounds good to me! let us know know from your tasting (and/or send me a bottle )

Your version is very similar to the one I make, my target O.G. is the same - as you say, closer to Double Bastard. The last time I made it I used 30% Marris Otter and prefer the result. I have it named "Aggravated B!tch" in honor of my other half.

[BeerMan]

Sounds Like it is time for a beer exchange