Re: Oak Cubes and Robust Porter

Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:10 am

numsquat wrote:I'm doing a robust porter the Saturday before the Superbowl and my wife asked if I could do an oak bourbon porter, so I'm going to make a 10 gal batch and split off 5 gal for the oak bourbon. Never used oak before. I remember from a session that cubes were better than chips so have cubes on the way. Also plan to soak the cubes in the bourbon.

Question is how much oak and for how long? I know it's to taste and will be testing but need a good baseline. Will put it in late in the primary (usually let the porter sit in primary for around 3 weeks, no secondary) or in the keg.

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if you want the effect of oak aging faster, go with chips instead of cubes. the increase in surface area means faster transfer of flavor. But, seems like you already ordered the cubes.

after the first week for fermentation is over add the oak. IF it's only going to be two weeks of contact time, you may want to use 3-4 oz of oak cubes. This is what i would do.....spit the amount in half. Put one half in the bourbon for a week and leave the other half "raw". if you soak it all, you'll get a load of bourbon and less oak.

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Re: Oak Cubes and Robust Porter

Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:46 am

boobookittyfuk wrote:if you want the effect of oak aging faster, go with chips instead of cubes. the increase in surface area means faster transfer of flavor. But, seems like you already ordered the cubes.

after the first week for fermentation is over add the oak. IF it's only going to be two weeks of contact time, you may want to use 3-4 oz of oak cubes. This is what i would do.....spit the amount in half. Put one half in the bourbon for a week and leave the other half "raw". if you soak it all, you'll get a load of bourbon and less oak.

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Isn't the whole point of soaking them to sanitize them a bit????? I'd hate to see an infection caused by carelessness.
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Re: Oak Cubes and Robust Porter

Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:17 pm

Test_Engineer wrote:Isn't the whole point of soaking them to sanitize them a bit????? I'd hate to see an infection caused by carelessness.


Yes and no. You can sanitize them in the raw with 15 min. in the pressure cooker. The bourbon doesn't nessasarly sanitize them 100%. If you are real anal retentive you should toss them in the pressure cooker. The bourbon is more for the flavor IMO. And in the world according to Jamil you are just as well off sanitizing the cubes on the stove and then adding a couple of shots of bourbon and calling it good.
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Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:38 pm

I did an old ale on new years, and I'm oaking it right now with one ounce of chips that soaked in JD for a couple of days. To sanitize I boiled the chips for a little while and added the water (~1 cup) and chips to the keg.
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Re: Oak Cubes and Robust Porter

Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:44 am

Test_Engineer wrote:
boobookittyfuk wrote:if you want the effect of oak aging faster, go with chips instead of cubes. the increase in surface area means faster transfer of flavor. But, seems like you already ordered the cubes.

after the first week for fermentation is over add the oak. IF it's only going to be two weeks of contact time, you may want to use 3-4 oz of oak cubes. This is what i would do.....spit the amount in half. Put one half in the bourbon for a week and leave the other half "raw". if you soak it all, you'll get a load of bourbon and less oak.

good luck


Isn't the whole point of soaking them to sanitize them a bit????? I'd hate to see an infection caused by carelessness.


well i meant to say that you'll need to sanitize the "raw" half. I thought that it was implied anyway. What i was trying to get at is raw oak will soak up alot of the bourbon and that will carry over to the beer. Especially if he uses 3-4 oz of oak cubes....he'll have to use like 3 cups of bourbon so that they are all submerged in the bag. I forsee an overpowering bourbon and no noticeable oak or beer for that matter.
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Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:44 am

Some good ideas, thanks.

I do like the idea of splitting the oak. I think I may have an ounce or so of chips around somewhere from a mead I did last year. I may use those "dry" and 2 oz of cubes soaked in bourbon. Will then add bourbon as needed before kegging.
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Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:51 pm

I made a Ballantine IPA clone at hop madness last year. I used 1.5 oz of American MT oak beads, and 1.5 oz French MT oak beans in each carboy for a month. No spirits, but that's a wash anyways ;) The beer turned out great btw, and didn't taste all that bitter, despite having ½ lb of northern brewer hops for bittering, ¼ lb each of willamettes, and goldings for flavor and aroma. Even with ¼ lb of goldings dry hopped didn't faze the wood (heh-heh -- I said wood) for aroma or flavor, and came across very nicely balanced. So consider the toast level when you add the beans/beads besides the amounts and time of contact. Just my 2¢ worth :)

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I'm just about to pitch yeast into a batch of Imperial Porter that I intend flavouring with bourbon, vanilla and oak.

My plan was to soak the vanilla beans and the oak in the bourbon for a couple of weeks, then strain and add the now hopefully oaky, vanilla-ee bourbon to the bottling bucket.

Should I be changing my plan?
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