Newbie Equipment Questions

Sat May 19, 2012 10:15 am

So I am purchasing my brew kit this weekend and have a few questions before I do so. I watched a ton of YouTube videos yesterday and came to one glaring conclusion.... this really is an art. I don't think I saw one single brewer do the same exact thing nor use the same exact equipment.

On to my questions:

1. Glass or Better Bottle Carboy? I've read the forum here and it seems like there are mixed feeling on this.

2. If I wish to do a full boil to start out with am I going to have to invest in a Wort chiller? Do you even recommend full boils for my first brew?

3. I am looking at two stage fermentation for two reasons; I want a clearer final product and I want to have more than two cases of beer ready for the 4th of July. From what I have read two stage doesn't look much more involved than one stage fermentation. Again, first brew though, would you recommend it?

4. I am looking at the Brewing Starter Kit from Midwest Supplies. Reading the reviews of this kit it looks like they left a few things out. So far I have added a brew spoon, a dial thermometer, and a strainer. What else, if anything, would you recommend for my first brew?

5. I wish to do my brewing outside. I have a stainless steel burner that came from an outdoor kitchen. It ran on NG. Does anyone know of an easy way to convert this to P.L.? Or should I just get a burner?

6. Still deciding on the Brew pot. This one depends on answers to above question I guess. Full or partial boil? Spigot or not?

Final question: One of the reasons I am brewing outside is that my indoor range is electric. Anyone had any problems brewing on electric range? It seems to me, never having brewed before, that it might be more difficult to control the heat. Should I just go ahead and invest in an outdoor burner and plan on doing all my brews outside?

Thanks in advance for any and all help.
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Re: Newbie Equipment Questions

Sat May 19, 2012 11:34 am

You ask 5 brewers for an opinion on process and you will get 10 answers... Here are a few "Basics"

BrewsterAZ wrote:So I am purchasing my brew kit this weekend and have a few questions before I do so. I watched a ton of YouTube videos yesterday and came to one glaring conclusion.... this really is an art. I don't think I saw one single brewer do the same exact thing nor use the same exact equipment.

On to my questions:

1. Glass or Better Bottle Carboy?
Don't forget Stainless or Food grade Buckets... Its really just all personal prefrence. Carboys are harder to clean but you can see the contents. Better bottles dont break but are not great for long term storage because after an extended period of time they will leak in oxygen. Buckets are great for cleaning but dont last as long as glass. Really its all about what you want to ferment in. I personally use a conical, Stainless 3 gallon water cans (kinda like the firefighters use) and buckets. It all depends on the beer

2. If I wish to do a full boil to start out with am I going to have to invest in a Wort chiller? Do you even recommend full boils for my first brew?
I started out doing full boils and cooling the wort in my bathtub using a few bags of ice and about 3in of cold water. Yes a Wort chiller is recommended to cool faster but there are other ways to chill your wort. Full boils in my opinion are best. They seem to offer fuller falvor and better color

3. I am looking at two stage fermentation for two reasons; I want a clearer final product and I want to have more than two cases of beer ready for the 4th of July. From what I have read two stage doesn't look much more involved than one stage fermentation. Again, first brew though, would you recommend it?
By two stage fermentation, do you mean secondary? Secondary is really only needed if you dry hop or have additions to your beer. (like: peppers, whiskey, oak, more hops, even more hops, ect) Your beer will clear just the same in primary. It will clear even faster if you cool your beer (thats called cold crashing)

4. I am looking at the Brewing Starter Kit from Midwest Supplies. Reading the reviews of this kit it looks like they left a few things out. So far I have added a brew spoon, a dial thermometer, and a strainer. What else, if anything, would you recommend for my first brew?
The starter kits give you everything you NEED to brew. There are many things will want to get when you get going, but for your first batch... Dont complicate things. However I would suggest you get some starsan, an outdoor burner, a 7 gallon pot

5. I wish to do my brewing outside. I have a stainless steel burner that came from an outdoor kitchen. It ran on NG. Does anyone know of an easy way to convert this to P.L.? Or should I just get a burner?
Get a cheap burner while you work on converting to propane

6. Still deciding on the Brew pot. This one depends on answers to above question I guess. Full or partial boil? Spigot or not?
Home depot sells a S.S. turkey fryer/burner set for about $100. The pot is 7 gallons. Great way to get going.


Final question: One of the reasons I am brewing outside is that my indoor range is electric. Anyone had any problems brewing on electric range? It seems to me, never having brewed before, that it might be more difficult to control the heat. Should I just go ahead and invest in an outdoor burner and plan on doing all my brews outside?

YES!!! Your brew day will take FOREVER with a full boil on the stove top. Even a partial on the stove top is painstakingly long.

Thanks in advance for any and all help.



Hope that helps...
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Re: Newbie Equipment Questions

Sat May 19, 2012 5:10 pm

1. On the range of bucket to Better Bottle to carboy, there are pros and cons to each. Buckets are cheap, light weigh, won't shatter, etc, but scratch easy and need to be replaced periodically. Carboys could last decades (don't scratch), but are heavy, can shatter, and need to be kept dark to avoid issues with being light struck. Better bottles are a decent compromise between the two.

2. If you are doing full boil, you will need to have some sort of wort chiller. If you have the ability to get the system to do it, I don't see any reason not to start with full boils.

3. General consensus is that here isn't really a need to do 2 stage unless you are adding hops or additional fermentables in the second stage. To some degree you may be able to end up transferring a cleaner product, but if you get it well settled, shouldn't be an issue. If you have two ferm vessels, one for primary (larger headspace) and one for secondary, doing two stage ferments may allow you to run more batches through in a limited window.

4. Lots of starter kits come with One Step. I really prefer PBW and Starsan. Would depend on your decisions about other items on your list here...

5. Dunno, never had to think about it.

6. If you are doing full boil, you aren't going to want to have to lift and dump the pot, so that means either siphoning out of the pot, or getting one with a spigot. Make sure you get well above the intended boil volume so you don't have to worry about boilovers. Wider is generally better than narrow.

Final: Never brewed on electric, and wouldn't want to. If it's in the budget and you have the space, go outdoor full boil and don't look back.

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Re: Newbie Equipment Questions

Sat May 19, 2012 5:44 pm

BrewsterAZ wrote:So I am purchasing my brew kit this weekend and have a few questions before I do so. I watched a ton of YouTube videos yesterday and came to one glaring conclusion.... this really is an art. I don't think I saw one single brewer do the same exact thing nor use the same exact equipment.

On to my questions:

1. Glass or Better Bottle Carboy? I've read the forum here and it seems like there are mixed feeling on this.

2. If I wish to do a full boil to start out with am I going to have to invest in a Wort chiller? Do you even recommend full boils for my first brew?

3. I am looking at two stage fermentation for two reasons; I want a clearer final product and I want to have more than two cases of beer ready for the 4th of July. From what I have read two stage doesn't look much more involved than one stage fermentation. Again, first brew though, would you recommend it?

4. I am looking at the Brewing Starter Kit from Midwest Supplies. Reading the reviews of this kit it looks like they left a few things out. So far I have added a brew spoon, a dial thermometer, and a strainer. What else, if anything, would you recommend for my first brew?

5. I wish to do my brewing outside. I have a stainless steel burner that came from an outdoor kitchen. It ran on NG. Does anyone know of an easy way to convert this to P.L.? Or should I just get a burner?

6. Still deciding on the Brew pot. This one depends on answers to above question I guess. Full or partial boil? Spigot or not?

Final question: One of the reasons I am brewing outside is that my indoor range is electric. Anyone had any problems brewing on electric range? It seems to me, never having brewed before, that it might be more difficult to control the heat. Should I just go ahead and invest in an outdoor burner and plan on doing all my brews outside?

Thanks in advance for any and all help.


1. I don't trust glass. I got my two carboys from a water distributor and they came with a plastic carrier like a milk crate and I still don't trust them. I've heard too many horror stories. In general, I only use glass for long secondary fermentations. I use Williams Brewing's platic buckets with spigots, and have for almost 20 years. YMMV.

2. Yes, you'll need a chiller. If you have the space for it, You can put ice water in a bucket with a spigot (Get two when you order) and let gravity draw it through the immersion chiller. If you must, you could put you kettle in a bath tub full of ice. What ever you can afford

3. After twenty years of brewing, I don't use secondary fermentation unless I'm adding fruit, or I want a strong beer to age without me getting my grubby mitts on it. Racking to secondary can cause oxidation. But if you must, most home brew shops sell CO2 rigs for kegging. I use them to purge the begs and carboys. For clearer beer, use finings like isinglass and gelatin. Tasty recommends filtering. I don't do it very often.

4. A notebook. Write stuff down.

5. No clue. Seek professional help. i use a burner outside.

6. At the risk of raising the Wrath of Mufasa, you can start out with partial boils, and chill your wort in an ice bath in the sink. To answer your last question now, I brewed on an electric range at first, too. But it takes too long to bring six gallons of liquid to a boil. In other words, partial boils only. Eventually, though you'll want to do a full wort boil anyway. Get the best kettle you can afford with a ball valve and a good chiller. If you want more than two cases of bottles, get at least a 15 gallon kettle. Twenty gallon would be better. Get those expenses out of the way now. When you add a pump you won't have to upgrade the kettle, too.

Final question: I brew outside all the time, unless it rains or gets above 95F for a significant portion of the day.

Free advice, which is probably what it's worth: Have fun doing it. You will make bad beer from time to time. I still screw things up. Don't give up. Ask questions here in the forum. We'll give a metric shit ton of answers, and one of them will work with your process. Also, watch someone brew in person. Especially when you decide to go all grain.

Good luck!
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Re: Newbie Equipment Questions

Sat May 19, 2012 9:59 pm

Thanks for the advice guys. Going to order equipment tomorrow. Think I'll start small and work my way up. Partial boils, single stage fermentation, maybe pick up a second fermentation bucket so I can have two going at once.
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Re: Newbie Equipment Questions

Sun May 20, 2012 3:56 am

I don't know what the cost of chillers is, but you can do full boils at a fraction of the cost if you no-chill. It is very popular here in Australia. Do a search, there is at least one thread on this forum. Pay particular attention to what Thirsty Boy says on the subject. Many people will warn you of the dangers of developing DMS. Most likely they have never tried it.

I like brewing outside. I have a 4-ring burner that runs on propane.

If you want to go all grain at less cost, you can try Brew In A Bag (BIAB), but I have had less success doing that than 3-vessel brewing.
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Re: Newbie Equipment Questions

Sun May 20, 2012 2:25 pm

5. The only changes needed are to replace the natural gas orifice with one properly sized for propane/LPG and the regulator with one that provides the right pressure. Now where to get those is beyond me. Manufacturer's website? Your local propane supplier?
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Re: Newbie Equipment Questions

Mon May 21, 2012 4:59 am

You are starting on a journey that will have lots of equipment options and techniques to explore. Everyone gave good answers, but you will find that as time goes on you will be buying all sorts of stuff. Keep it clean and you will brew good beer. Keep doing it and you will brew even better beer.
1. I like glass, cleans well and especially when you are new it's so much fun to watch the beer do it's thing.
2. If you can, get a wort chiller.
3. secondarys are optional unless you are doing a big brew.

Just make beer.
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