Expensive Brewery Wash decoded

[Chaz]

I use the "sun oxiclean" and RedDevil TSP/90 in my mix

Somewhere I recall having a conversation with a fellow who tried cleaning his Stainless BBQ with TSP. He claimed that it etched his stainless wrecking the shiny finish.

I've read the Palmer section on TSP and the Brewing Techniques passage on the topic and wondered about TSP and what I was told by the unhappy Barbecue owner.

TSP is still available though the Nanny State Nazis are trying to ban it like they did Chlordane. Ask me about my very expensive toaster and why it won't make toast.


One up-side for TSP is that is rinses away supremely well. That's why painters use it. Cleaning off the cleanser is a snap.

The RedDevil TSP/90 stuff isn't actually TSP (Trisodium phosphate) despite the confusing name. It's Sodium Metasilicate, Pentahydrate. Can buy it at Ace.

[Elbone]

The RedDevil TSP/90 stuff isn't actually TSP (Trisodium phosphate) despite the confusing name. It's Sodium Metasilicate, Pentahydrate. Can buy it at Ace.

That's the one I was thinking about. Thanks Chaz.

[blbvtec]

Befriend your local brewpub brewer. A 50lb bucket is only about $120. Offer a couple buks for shipping, they probably wont even accept becaused they,'ll be paying shipping anyhow for the rest of the supplies.

That expensive Brewery Wash:
Ya know that wonderful stuff you pay Like $40.00 for an 8 pound jar in a brewery supply?
Then ya gotta pay to ship it?
Yah that stuff.

the code is broken:

30% sodium metasilicate
70% Washing Soda
That’s it. I don’t think there is anything more to it.
You could ass a chealating agent in it to draw out any free metal ions like Salt of EDTA (wonderful stuff) but I don't see as how it's necessary


Read the Tech Sheet and MSDS for the products you are interested in.



Sodium Metasilicate ( common name: sodium silicate)
http://www.chemical.net/cn_store/produc ... 193003-001
$39.05 for One 15 pound package
It is 26.00 per 15 pound package if you buy 4 or more.
http://www.chemical.net/cn_store/produc ... 193003-002
the problem is they want a minimum Order of $75.00

I've looked around this stuff has pricing all over the map.


Washing Soda ( Na2CO3) Also called sodium carbonate.
You can buy it from Church & Dwight under their trade name “Arm and Hammer”
Buy Dot Com has 3 pound boxes for $2.99
Ace Hardware has 3 pounds for $3.79
It's pretty cheap stuff.

In fact all of this stuff is pretty damn cheap.

I'm thinking of just purchasing the $75.00 minimum order of Sodium Metasilicate

I've looked for Friggin Washing Soda and Can you believe it the stuff costs a ton of $$ to ship. Prolly best to just get it at a pool supply store
http://www.lesliespool.com/browse/Home/ ... 30/I/14738

[Cliff]

The RedDevil TSP/90 stuff isn't actually TSP (Trisodium phosphate) despite the confusing name. It's Sodium Metasilicate, Pentahydrate. Can buy it at Ace.

Mooochose Grassyass
4 pounds for $6.00 is not a bad price
Apparantly "TSP-90" is a marketing thing and not intended to inform the consumer in any way (weird) http://www.reddevil.com/msds-tds/faq_0261.pdf
and it is 100% Sodium Metasilicate, Pentahydrate (SiO3Na2 5H2O)
http://www.reddevil.com/msds-tds/msds_0261_0265.pdf

After a little InterWeb searching I learned that pentahydrate, merely means there are 5 water molecules in each molecule of the chemical (ergo the 5H2O) . So it's got a little water in it. I'll add a lot more.

I also found this
http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/Che ... licate.pdf

[Beer Baron]

I switched to using straight unscented Oxyclean and just rinsing it after 30-45 minutes (rather than leaving it overnight like I used to do with PBW) - never noticed the difference. I wouldn't leave it in the carboy overnight without a chelating agent like the metasilicate, though. I have super hard tap water.