Re: Sanke keg hole diameter

Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:49 am

Tarp Town wrote:Actually, I'm going to try and use a sanke as a 10 gallon fermenter.

Remove spear/valve, insert wort, use stopper & airlock until fermentation is done, replace spear, transfer to corney kegs.

Just an experiment. Thanks again


I have been using sankes as fermentors for a few years now. But I got to tell you, you can not use a stopper (fyi #11 stopper) without modifying the "hole" after removing the spear.

When you remove the spear take a close look at the hole it leaves. The very top lip is keyed to hold the spear. So when you place a stopper in it, it will not seal because of the gaps that are left in the lip due to the keys that hold the spear. For the stopper to properly seal these gaps must be removed.

So what I have done, using a 4.5 Grinder and a metal cutoff disk, is cut right around the top lip of the hole, cutting all around the lip. You can use the lip as a guide. I cut these free hand all the time. You only need to cut the lip. After a little cleanup you should have a smoth surface for the stopper will seal around.

I transfer beer out of my sanke fermentors using an orange carboy cap. With the lip removed an orange carboy cap fits a keg perfectly. You put your racking cane through the center hole of the orange carboy cap attaching it to a length of hose. Place a 1/4-1/4 tubing splice in the other hole (you may need to trim the carboy cap to get the splice to fit) so that you can splice it to your CO2 line. Then using CO2 just force the beer out to start your siphon. Once the siphon is started I remove the CO2 line from the splice. I guess you could push all of the beer out using CO2 but I never have done that. I usually just get the siphon started and pull the CO2 off after that.

The other challange you must address is how to clean your sanke fermentor between uses. I have built a CIP system using a sump pump. The pump is similar to the one used on the "Doc and Tasty's keg cleaner rig". I have taken the sump pump and attached a 3/4 PVC pipe to the output with a cap on the top with large holes drilled in the top half of the pipe for water to spray out from. I set the pump w/ the pipe attached into a 6 gal bucket (imagine the length of pipe connected to the pump sticking straight up into the air, the height of the pipe is adjusted such that it reaches about 3/4 of the way into the keg when placed on the bucket). I fill the bucket with cleaner and I invert my keg, place the pipe into the hole and rest the keg on the bucket. Then I let it run. The water will cycle from the bucket into the pump, into the keg, and drain back into the bucket in a closed loop. With the pump running in this closed loop it will actually heat the water. I have measured the water temp To sanatize the keg I put fresh water and use "SaniClean" (the low-foam version of Star San) and use the same process.

The perfect fermentation chamber for a sanke fermentor is a kegerator. Think about it a kegerator is built to to hold a sanke keg. I have found kegerators on Craigslist for $300. Slap a temp controller on it and you got a temp controlled fermentation chamber.
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Re: Sanke keg hole diameter

Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:07 pm

Whoa. Thanks for the details, this is going to be fun.

I had already thought of the kegerator and plan on buying that first. I'm only going to use it as a temp controlled chamber as i already have a chest freezer with 4 taps. I went to bevmo today and I think after I get a fridge, which are $300 brand new from sears, I'm going to get a keg of Sierra or something to have on a picnic tap til it's gone, then I will start using it. The $40 deposit for the keg at bevmo is cheaper than people want empty kegs on craigslist these days.

I will definitely let you all know how it works out!
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Re: Sanke keg hole diameter

Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:36 am

Tarp Town wrote:Whoa. Thanks for the details, this is going to be fun.
The $40 deposit for the keg at bevmo is cheaper than people want empty kegs on craigslist these days.


Please think about the consequences of this line of reasoning to the poor brewer who is paying $200 (or perhaps even over these days) for a keg. They are our brothers in brewing too.
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Re: Sanke keg hole diameter

Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:19 am

Explain what the fuck you are talking about and I'll consider it.
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Re: Sanke keg hole diameter

Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:54 am

Tarp Town wrote:Explain what the fuck you are talking about and I'll consider it.


That $40 deposit is a deposit. You did NOT buy the keg, you are stealing it.

Now if you use it and put it back together and return it still usable you are not stealing.
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Re: Sanke keg hole diameter

Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:43 am

So if I buy one off craiglist for $60, that's buying not stealing?

If I give bevmo a deposit, I get to do what I want with it until I'm done. That could be a week or 10 years.

I'm confused by the 'pay to steal' ideology.
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Re: Sanke keg hole diameter

Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:13 pm

Tarp Town wrote:So if I buy one off craiglist for $60, that's buying not stealing?

Depends on if the person you bought it from owns it or not.
If I give bevmo a deposit, I get to do what I want with it until I'm done. That could be a week or 10 years.

Depends on what you agree to in the deposit agreement.
I'm confused by the 'pay to steal' ideology.


I think you are confused about what your deposit is for. You are not paying for it, you are putting down a deposit, which you should get back, to "encourage" you to return the keg you have borrowed to carry your beer in. You bought the beer, your borrowed the keg. Think of it this way, when you rent a car you may have to put down a deposit, or give them a credit card. Are you expected to take the car back, or can you keep it? What about the gas? You're going to use up the gas, and you paid for it. But you can not keep the car, you did not pay for it. The deposit you may have to put down you should get back.

This has been beat to death over the years. This is a significant issue for small breweries.

The legal way to do this is to buy from a scrapyard that sells them LEGALLY, or from a new keg supplier(Sabco), or stop by your local brewery and see if they have any damaged ones that do not hole pressure anymore.
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Re: Sanke keg hole diameter

Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:31 pm

fastdogbrewing wrote:The legal way to do this is to buy from a scrapyard that sells them LEGALLY, or from a new keg supplier(Sabco), or stop by your local brewery and see if they have any damaged ones that do not hole pressure anymore.


This is the easiest/cheapest way to go too... because many times they'll just give them too ya (breweries), or charge you 20$ for shits.... and this way, you aren't screwing anyone in the business out of kegs.

It's kind of a hot button issue for home brewers... just so ya know. :jnj

Good luck w/ your sanke fermentor... I may try and rock that too, now that i'm going to 10 gallon batches.
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