Recession Brewing Show

Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:07 pm

The "recession brewing" episode of The Session kind of hit home for me. I'd kind of like to see what other listeners think about how homebrewing is actually saving them money.

Since I work in the energy services industry I am accustomed to defining money-saving opportunities in terms of "simple payback". You usually see this in the example of using a 13-watt compact fluorescent screw-in lamp in place of a 100-watt incandescent bulb. Even though the CFL costs more than the incandescent bulb initially, the CFL uses less energy and lasts longer. You calculate how much you would have spent to power the incandescent lamp over a year, and then calculate how much it costs to operate the CFL over a year - the difference is how much you save. You then divide the cost of the lamp by the amount you save and you'll have the time in years it takes for the savings to pay for the lamp - that's the simple payback in years, the amount of time it takes for that energy-saving bulb to pay for itself.

Since I'm an engineer by trade I punch everything into a spreadsheet, so naturally I set up a spreadsheet to figure out the payback on my homebrewing hobby. I have been tracking everything I spend on equipment and ingredients (except for water and propane), and that currently adds up to about $3020. Now the product of each batch is approximately equivalent to two cases. If I were to equate my product to Newcastle Brown Ale my avoided cost would be about $35/case, if I were to equate it to Natty Light it's more like about $15/case. To be honest, when I'm not drinking my homebrew I usually buy Yuengling Lager at about $24/case of 24x16-oz. I kind of arbitrarily decided to use $22/case as my avoided cost - figuring I wouldn't drink as much if I didn't have all this homebrew around, the homebrew is equivalent to higher-priced commercial beer, there's some entertainment-value to the brewing hobby, I probably wouldn't be drinking as much quality brew if I wasn't brewing it, wash all that together and I just called it $22/case (or $44/batch). Anyway, after 3-1/2 years I've brewed 73 batches, or 146 cases for an avoided cost of $3212.

That means a couple of things. First, the homebrewing product has completely paid for all of my equipment and ingredients with $194 left over. Alternatively, I've been drinking (and giving away) beer for the last 3.5 years at an average cost of under $21/case. Another way to look at it is that my beer and homebrewing hobby has been free up to now, and it's given me almost $200 to invest in more homebrewing equipment.

I should also say at this point that I brewed extract for about the first year and a quarter, but now I brew all grain at full-volume. I still buy ingredient kits. I could cut my cost per batch down quite a bit by buying base malt in bulk and buying flavor grain and hops a couple of pounds at a time and working from recipes, but of course I'd need to invest in a mill.

Anyway - that's my brewconomics. I'd like to see how everyone else is dealing with the recession, and how they justify continuing their hobby.

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Re: Recession Brewing Show

Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:21 pm

I think once you get up to 40-50 batches you may start to see a break even - all depends on what you have for equipment and what you are making. If you love Coors or Bud Light, you are not going save much by homebrewing.

I brew more to get fresh flavors than to save money, but that may factor in a few years down the road. I also like to make beers I just can't purchase here.

I love my Maui Brewing Co., but at $4-5 at the brewpub per glass for anything, it is a bit steep - especially with a one hour drive each way on top of that. I can purchase a six pack for $10 and do support them in that manner more than the brewpub.
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Re: Recession Brewing Show

Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:37 pm

Then start buying hops by the pound (for half what LHBS charges per oz) and malt by the sack (for like 30% less than LHBS) and you have some savings.
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Re: Recession Brewing Show

Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:58 pm

Not to be picky, but I'm sure that you spent over $194 on 73 batches of homebrew... just sayin'.

I brew because it's fun, and I can get 10 gallons (or four cases of beer) for about $50. I don't factor in the cost of the equipment - because that was also fun to make - and that money is spent. For me it's mostly my monthly beer spending that I need to curtail. I rarely buy anything anymore but bombers and 750s of the shit that I can't normally brew - like sours. But that needs to change. Once I build a cold room and I can do some extended aging, I'm probably going to brew more expensive sours and funky belgians. Walking out of the beer store with 6 beers that cost $100 has got to stop...


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Re: Recession Brewing Show

Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:08 pm

I have about $1800 invested in equipment, with roughly half of that being the draft setup and the rest being the actual "brewhouse". I figure each 5 gal batch costs, on average, about $20 in consumables ($12 for grain, $3 for hops, $5 for water, electricity, propane, CO2, sanitizer, etc.). I've brewed 230 gallons to date, so as of now it's cost about $11.83 a gallon, or $6.65 a six-pack. Given the styles I like to brew, I'm paying about half-price, and the price drops every time I brew.

Buying ingredients in bulk is absolutely key.
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Re: Recession Brewing Show

Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:33 pm

Mylo wrote:Not to be picky, but I'm sure that you spent over $194 on 73 batches of homebrew... just sayin'.

I brew because it's fun, and I can get 10 gallons (or four cases of beer) for about $50. I don't factor in the cost of the equipment - because that was also fun to make - and that money is spent. For me it's mostly my monthly beer spending that I need to curtail. I rarely buy anything anymore but bombers and 750s of the shit that I can't normally brew - like sours. But that needs to change. Once I build a cold room and I can do some extended aging, I'm probably going to brew more expensive sours and funky belgians. Walking out of the beer store with 6 beers that cost $100 has got to stop...


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+1 - I am now able to by base malt by the sack and have been purchasing hops by the pound for some time now.
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Re: Recession Brewing Show

Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:50 pm

Buy a mill, buy bulk grains, and you definately save money on beer. When I worked out the numbers before building a single tier, I would break even at 13 batches .... compared to what I was drinking when not brewing. Granted, I didn't calculate in several pieces of equiptment that I have now added, so It is more realistically around 18-20 batches at 10 gallons each. Now that I am over that mark, every batch does effectively save me money that I would have otherwise spent.

In the long run, I have enjoyed building equiptment, have some new tools, am enjoying better beer and a greater diversity than if I didn't brew, and save money by not spending a day doing other things. Final verdict ... Brewing is Recession Friendly (as long as you have the gear before it hits).
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Re: Recession Brewing Show

Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:02 pm

I just went through and calculated mine...I just brewed batch #20 and will need to make 78 more batches averaging 30 bucks a batch(though that could be high, but I make strong beers) to break even and that is buying no more equipment...I should not have figured this out...lol

but in the end who cares there are not too many hobbies that after a while will pay for themselves and have a good time..
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