BioFine Clear & Isinglass

[cad]

It's 2 or 3 shows ago at Downtown Joe's.

[Cliff]

Listening to the recent archives and the live show at Downtown Joe's, 7/17/10, with Collin Kaminski and brewing consitancies. Collin talked about fining agents and how much he likes Biofine Clear in his process.

This one:
http://www.thebrewingnetwork.com/shows/654
And is that this Colin Kaminski?
http://www.designerinlight.com/
mille grazie

It would be all the way at the end. Starts around -16:40
Unfortunately there is nothing about the dialog that addresses the question of natural carbonation and whether it leaves any residual yeasts. Those guys are all about larger production and forced carbonation, I would suspect. When asked about using it in a corny he suggested rocking the tank to mix it. Even the small scale issue raised at the end was about a forced carbonation approach.

[Cliff]

I just got off the horn with the people at MidWest who say it'll operate like Isinglass stripping as much away as it can.
I only used one tablespoon in a 6 gallon batch. So there's a shot it won't have got all the yeast . But I'm thinking I should add a vial of WLP011 at bottling anyway just to be sure.

When adding more yeast for bottling (a thing I have not prior done):
Does one pre-ferment the yeasts in DME to deprive them of oxygen or just up end a vial of yeast into the bottling bucket or fermenter along with the sugar charge?
There is No chance of Using CO2 injection VIA the racking arm to introduce it, as I don't have a CO2 tank.

I'm thinking I might rack off a couple of bottles worth now, with the appropriate amounts of sugar in them, and see if they carbonate. That'd answer the question.

[ddold]

I have not been able to find a place to buy the biofine. please help.

[popihead]

Midwest brewing supplies at Midwestsupplies.com. They sell it in 1-2oz bottles. That's the only place so far I've been able to find it. I also ordered some and asked a few application questions. As soon as I hear back I'll post it as well as after I use it.

[Beerrific]

Brewmaster's Warehouse is carrying this now as well. (http://www.brewmasterswarehouse.com/pro ... -clear-2oz) I was also intrigued when I heard the show with Colin.

[Thirsty Boy]

Unless you have abused the he'll out of your yeast, there is no finings agent on the planet that will take so much of out that you wont be able to naturally condition your beer.the finings manufacturers might wish it was that good... But it isn't.

OK - if you are conditioning some super high gravity thing you might want to re-pitch some more yeast... But that's about health not cell count.

Isinglass and biofine are bopth used for cask conditioned real ales, which by definition are naturally carbonated. He'll... I filter my beer through a 1 micron absolute filter and it still let's enough yeast through to be able to naturally carbonate... Yes I know yeast cells are bigger than 1 micron... But nonetheless it works. Very very bright, Post filtered beer, still manages to naturally carbonate. So I seriously doubt that any finings agent will give you trouble on that front.

Me, I fine with gelatin and any damn vegans who come to my house can bring their own damn beer.

TB

[Cliff]

no finings agent on the planet that will take so much of out that you wont be able to naturally condition your beer.the finings manufacturers might wish it was that good... But it isn't.

Interesting

Isinglass and biofine are bopth used for cask conditioned real ales, which by definition are naturally carbonated.

Well slap my fanny and cooler me purple I was unaware of that.

Me, I fine with gelatin and any damn vegans who come to my house can bring their own damn beer.

Ohhhh man that's harsh.