Re: Moose Drool recipe - Can you brew it

Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:09 pm

I'm missing some of the Moose Drool bits myself. With a bit of luck it will be posted soon so I can go back and recap...hoping to brew that thing pretty soon!

As far as the percentages conversion on the DBA clone, here's what I came up with. Now, there wasn't an OG listed in that recipe posted so I'm basing it off of Tasty's OG from his DBA clone recipe (which is 1.051) and an efficiency of 70% which iirc that is what Jamil said he uses. Anyway these numbers are the extract potentials pulled from Designing Great Beers.

7.94lbs 2-Row
1.98lbs Maris Otter
.85lbs Munich
.77lbs C75°L
.27lbs C120°L
.15lbs Chocolate 450°L

Also this is based on Jamil's typical 6 gallon batch. I bumped this with Tasty's DBA clone recipe and although similar, it is far from exact. I'm not sure how long ago that particular recipe was formulated but the biggest difference seems to be in the base malt where Tasty's older recipe uses less 2-Row and more Maris Otter. Anyway, hope this helps!
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Re: Moose Drool recipe - Can you brew it

Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:11 pm

Or you can just go and listen to the show again, heh.

*Here's hoping my calculations are at least somewhere in the ballpark... :asshat:
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Re: Moose Drool recipe - Can you brew it

Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:14 pm

bille wrote: I'm not sure how long ago that particular recipe was formulated but the biggest difference seems to be in the base malt where Tasty's older recipe uses less 2-Row and more Maris Otter. Anyway, hope this helps!


Remember, Matt said they originally started with 50/50 2 row and Maris Otter and gradually dropped the Maris Otter down to 20% due to the rising cost of British malts. McDole probably got his percentages sometime during that transition period.

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Re: Moose Drool recipe - Can you brew it

Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:20 pm

Bugeater wrote:
bille wrote: I'm not sure how long ago that particular recipe was formulated but the biggest difference seems to be in the base malt where Tasty's older recipe uses less 2-Row and more Maris Otter. Anyway, hope this helps!


Remember, Matt said they originally started with 50/50 2 row and Maris Otter and gradually dropped the Maris Otter down to 20% due to the rising cost of British malts. McDole probably got his percentages sometime during that transition period.

Wayne

That would make sense. To be honest I missed all of the DBA show and only caught bits and pieces of the Moose Drool show.

I just downloaded the Moose Drool show and am listening to it now. I can't wait to brew this beer, its definitely a favorite.
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Re: Moose Drool recipe - Can you brew it

Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:36 am

To me it doesn't make a lot of sense to not post the recipes.....

Anyway, here's the Moosedrool recipe from the show:

10 lbs 12.8 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 86.89 %
1 lbs 4.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L (80.0 SRM) Grain 10.06 %
5.6 oz Chocolate (Briess) (350.0 SRM) Grain 2.82 %
0.5 oz Black (Patent) Malt (500.0 SRM) Grain 0.24 %
1.40 oz Goldings, East Kent [4.75 %] (60 min) Hops 24.8 IBU
0.60 oz Williamette [5.50 %] (10 min) Hops 2.5 IBU
0.60 oz Liberty [4.30 %] (0 min) Hops -
1 Pkgs English Ale (White Labs #WLP002) [Starter 66 oz] Yeast-Ale

70 minute boil. 154f mash temp. The percentages and IBUs don't match exactly to what Jamil stated, but they're what Beersmith gives based on the ingredients. Note that Jamil calls for Crystal 75 and 400 lovibond Chocolate, both of which I don't have in my ingredients file.

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Re: Moose Drool recipe - Can you brew it

Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:09 pm

Bugeater wrote:
SouthernBrewlady wrote:Hate to sound like a dummy, BUT: I've never converted a recipie just from percentages. Usually I have pounds or grams or liters or something. Do I just plug it into beer smith?


I don't think you can just plug in percentages, but then I just use Promash. The way I do it is fairly simple. For a beer of that gravity, you will have a total grain bill of about 10 pounds. Enter each of your grains into your recipe program. For the amount just enter the the amount corresponding to the percentage of 10 pounds. For example, this recipe calls for 84% base malt. That works out to 8.4 pounds. Breaking that down further, 20% of that is Maris Otter. 8.4 X 20% = 1.68 pounds of Maris Otter.

Go on and do this for the rest of the ingredients. When done, take a look at the projected gravity. It will probably be off a bit (maybe quite a bit).


Another method to use is one I do, and I do it specifically because Beer Tools Pro doesn't have the capability (any developers reading here? hint hint). I've got a simple excel spreadsheet set up that I can use to find out exactly what quantity I need for a given grain and if you want to use it you need the following:

- Your batch size (gallons).
- Your desired gravity in GU (ex: 1.053 = 53).
- The percentage of the recipe this grain will cover.
- The grain's original gravity potential (in BTP it's the "Original Grav. (lb/gal)" found in the grain editor panel).
- And lastly you need to specify your System Efficiency %.

With all of those parameters just do the following calculation:

Needed Grain Quantity (lbs) = (((Batch Size * Total Gravity * Grain Percentage) / Grain Potential Gravity) / System Efficiency %)

You could also do this with a calculator, but using a spreadsheet makes it dead simple. The nice thing about this method is that even if the potential yield of any given grain I buy changes between purchases it can be accounted for without having to "fiddle with the dials".

Just my 2 cents...

Edit: Formula updated to account for efficiency.
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Re: Moose Drool recipe - Can you brew it

Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:41 am

Hey Franken,

I use a similar spreadsheet to you, I'm also using BTP.

I'm using the following formula

(Batch Size x GU x % of Grist) / Gravity Potential (adjusted for system efficiency)


I'm taking my gravity potential from the AICG number. I usually leave the info window open so I can see this figure. Surprisingly the info window doesn't display the Lb/gal figure you are using.

Example - Standard 2-Row Rahr

75.26% x 70% (Efficiency) x 46 = 24.234 ppg

I'm pretty sure that BTP uses the AICG number when calculating gravity.
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Re: Moose Drool recipe - Can you brew it

Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:16 am

It probably does, but I got my formula from Designing Great Beers and it gets the job done consistantly using the grain potential. It seems we're using largely the same formula though it's funny that the info screen doesn't show the GP; it's the most important "stat" they could list in my eyes. Oh well, thems the numbers. Now if only I could convince JP and Tasty to give every recipe in percentages and weights I'd be a happy man, lol.

Hopefully all of you guys looking for the recipe can get some use out of this numbers geek out. :drink
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