Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:43 pm

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baltobrewer wrote:My issue is not with the kids doing something that was against an ordinance. But with the police's response--it was escalatory. Public servants, like the police, are trained to show control and restraint. They are the professionals and are expected by the public to respond with the least amount of force necessary. I don't believe this officer did so; the pleading of "no contest" and sentencing does not make his behavior acceptable. The police are not above the law; if anything, they should be held to a higher standard as they are expected to be more knowledgable of it since they are tasked with enforceing it. That said, I have known many police officers that were ignorant of the law's nuances and only understood it's basal meaning.

I have known a number of police officers over the years. The good ones rarely tend to stay on beat jobs for long.


No one is saying the cops are above the law. On the contrary it was found he responded within the limits established by the city and the police department.

I don't doubt a lot of cops leave, look at this guy, he was cleared, he acted exactly as he was trained and he's got to deal with crap like this.
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Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:56 pm

My point is, and 7seas hit on it pretty well, why was force necessary? Whether or not it is within his right to use it. I am a passive individual mostly and think the situation could have been handled much more effectively without force. Now what your going to have is a lack of respect for officers going forward for these kids, sure, they will fear them, but I don't think that is right.

I think we should respect our law enforcement not fear them and in "some" cases they can make it hard to do so.

That is the liberal hippy in me I guess. This case may not be the best to make the point but it is the case we are discussing.

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Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:24 pm

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Problem was, the kids were found by Barney instead of Andy.
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Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:30 pm

I guess you have two choices:

1. Deal with things swiftly and effectively, even if that looks like it might be a bit brutal.

2. Be passive and pussy-foot around while things get more and more out of control.

I think we see signs of option 2 being taken everywhere. Little shitbags with no respect for teachers or parents, no respect for (or fear of) authority. And those of us who don't want any trouble are victimized by their lack of values and general bullshit attitudes.
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Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:33 pm

pus rocket wrote:I guess you have two choices:

1. Deal with things swiftly and effectively, even if that looks like it might be a bit brutal.

2. Be passive and pussy-foot around while things get more and more out of control.


How about a third choice...relax and have a homebrew. :D
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Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:39 pm

7seas wrote:
pus rocket wrote:I guess you have two choices:

1. Deal with things swiftly and effectively, even if that looks like it might be a bit brutal.

2. Be passive and pussy-foot around while things get more and more out of control.


How about a third choice...relax and have a homebrew. :D


That is my favorite option!!

I will teach my kids to have respect for authority, what that authority does with that respect will determine the course of actions that follow both in that event and in the future.
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Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:52 pm

Oh, homebrew is always the first option. Sorry, I only have room for one prisoner because of the ice chest in the back seat. :D

I really believe a person can write their own ticket - behave like a douchebag, be treated like a douchebag. And I don't believe that there are many cops who started their career thinking they were going to go out and bust kids heads. But there is this awakening that takes place...
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Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:15 pm

Anyone ever seen the video of the skater kid getting in the cops face and then one of his friends comes up behind the officer and whacks the back of his head with his skateboard?

I gotta say, if I were a cop rolling up on a bunch of punk teenagers who might be up to no good... I'd probably assert force too.

But that's just me...
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