Re: Boycott Magic Hat Brewing Company...

Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:38 am

mediumsk wrote:It is a douche move.
it's nice to see that most brewery's don't follow this path. check out the "collaboration not litigation" ale from Russian river and avery


Agreed. It's unfortunate they couldn't come to a mutual understanding or even work together.
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Re: Boycott Magic Hat Brewing Company...

Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:54 pm

So do we boycott Bear Republic now?

http://beernews.org/2010/06/bear-republ ... t=FaceBook

I think defending ones brand is perfectly ok and in the realm of craft beer it is pretty hard that someone is going to out lawyer someone else or bleed them dry like the case with Monster. At least these are in the same product space and there are similarities. You gots to do what you gots to do, if you don't you will get walked all over.

I heard of another one recently that may be coming up that involves similarities to Monster but may be settled without any hub bub. Those are the trademarks you need to concern yourselves with IMO.

I can see Magic Hat's beef for sure here and I can also see Bear Republics. You cross state lines or compete in a similar marketplace, better be ready to protect yourself.
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Re: Boycott Magic Hat Brewing Company...

Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:36 pm

Kinda funny and a bit sad - Magic Hat has no issue in ripping off Beatles lyrics to name their beer (number 9) - But has an issue that the hash symbol "#" can denote "pound" or "number"?

I'm not one to jump on public boycott bandwagons per se and as a complete outsider that can not get either of these beers, it really does not matter to me either way.

I have a hunch this action will benefit ultimately no one but a few attorneys - which is after all the American way. If you become a shifty enough of a lawyer, you can then get elected to political office where you can really screw the average person and make a pile of money over influence peddling and other trivial matters such as this.

And you don't have to boycott Bear Republic (unless you really want to) as the court basically did not agree with them on their lawsuit:

http://www.leagle.com/unsecure/page.htm ... 0100607741

"Based on the total effect of the marks, the Court concludes that any similarity is not likely to cause confusion. Although the products both share the term "RACER" and use a somewhat comparable font and color scheme, the designs and trade dress of the two marks look so different as to distinguish sufficiently the products."

Both sides attorney's collected some hefty fees in the process which is what it really is all about.

Cheers again for Russian River and Avery Brewing to focus on spending their resources on brewing and their employees rather than attorney fees.
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Re: Boycott Magic Hat Brewing Company...

Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:01 pm

BrewBum wrote:So do we boycott Bear Republic now?
Bear Republik's suit is shit, so is MH's.
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Re: Boycott Magic Hat Brewing Company...

Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:50 pm

Ok,
I will admit that my asking people to boycott anything is probably not going to accomplish much...
but i think it is good for people to know what some businesses out there are doing, and consider who they give their money to.
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Re: Boycott Magic Hat Brewing Company...

Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:10 pm

bcmaui wrote:I'm not one to jump on public boycott bandwagons per....


You may very well believe this, but it seems to me you've got no problem throwing public employees, their pension systems and just about every elected official under the bus.

If things are so messed up and you've got it all figured out, maybe you should run for office and straighten us all out? Of course that would mean you'd have to become the very thing you seem to despise so much :)
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Re: Boycott Magic Hat Brewing Company...

Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:50 pm

San_Diego_Matt wrote:If things are so messed up and you've got it all figured out, maybe you should run for office and straighten us all out? Of course that would mean you'd have to become the very thing you seem to despise so much :)


My general position is that the public sector often messes up more things than they fix when expanded beyond their basic charter. They are necessary for many things (defense, infrastructure, establishing and enforcing laws) and ineffective as well as most that work in the public sector are rarely held accountable for their own actions and often have a job for life regardless of their performance, or lack thereof. I am for smaller government and comparable pay and benefits for similar work in the private sector, not no government at all.

As an example: when I gave a one week training seminar to entire local county staff engineering office many years ago on how to create and use a database (this was 1995), a majority of them wanted to create a program to track and monitor their accrued vacation and sick pay - the assumption was that some of the public employees in the payroll department might be as incompetent as some of their own co-workers and they wanted to double check their accuracy so they did not lose any potential benefits. As many here in the public sector obtain their jobs through nepotism or as political rewards, there is a lower standard of performance expected for most public worker in my experience compared to their peers in the private sector. Here, the public sector employee often also receives much better compensation for a similar job, especially the employees that have been on the payroll for more than 10 years.

I suggested creating a new program to monitor the public works projects under development, who was assigned to each, what was in progress and as they were completed the history would ber saved - that might be a better use of a simple database to implement during that week, but that was shot down by the department head and we did a redundant personal payroll project instead.

As to your suggestion that I run for office it just won't work here - unless you are a member of the inside establishment and are supported and endorsed by the public worker's labor unions, you will not win elective office in my state or county. I would love to be Mayor of our County for a single term and reform some things (several folks have asked me to run this year) - but I realize that much can not be reformed due to existing public worker union contracts and I would not be as effective as I could be.

It is the same in California as well and because of that you state is in trouble as well:

http://www.city-journal.org/2009/eon1123sg.html
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Re: Boycott Magic Hat Brewing Company...

Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:57 pm

This jibberish belongs in the non beer related forums.
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