Heavily hopped APA - too much?

Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:49 am

I'm planning a recipe based on the APA recipe in Brewing Classic Styles,

23L
OG: 1050
FG: 1010 to 1013
Eff: 69%
IBU: 42
Colour: 7.5 SRM

4.2 kg Maris Otter
340g Biscuit Malt
340g Munich Malt
227g Wheat Malt

WLP090 San Diego Super Yeast

Now, the hop schedule is what I'm having trouble with. I've hop burst 2 beers so far and really liked the flavour and aroma it produces, but not sure whether I really "need" 200g of hops to achieve what I'm trying to achieve. This is what I have at the moment:

15g Amarillo, 20 mins
15g Centennial, 20 mins
15g Amarillo, 15 mins
15g Centennial, 15 mins
20g Amarillo, 10 mins
20g Centennial, 10 mins
25g Amarillo, 5 mins
25g Centennial, 5 mins
25g Amarillo, FO
25g Centennial, FO

So, that's 200g in a 23L batch. In terms of getting flavour and aroma, could I get away with say half what I have?
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Re: Heavily hopped APA - too much?

Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:22 pm

Sounds like you need to do some split wort batches... see if it gets you anything more...
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Re: Heavily hopped APA - too much?

Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:40 pm

That hopping looks a lot like Jamil's Evil Twin recipe. This article at http://www.mrmalty.com/late_hopping.php might help you because it actually uses the hops you're using.

Recipe: Evil Twin

This beer ends up rich and malty, yet with a devilishly huge hop aroma and flavor. It is loosely based on AleSmith's delicious Evil Dead Red. Thanks to Peter Zien for his help with this recipe.

Ingredients for 6 U.S. gallons (23 liters)
Target Original Gravity: 1.066 (16.21 Plato)
Approximate Final Gravity: 1.016 (4.08 Plato)
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70%
Anticipated SRM: 17
Anticipated IBU: 23.8
Anticipated ABV: 6.66%
Wort Boil Time: 90 minutes
12 lb (5.44 kg) British Pale Malt 3L
1 lb (0.45 kg) Crystal 40L
1 lb (0.45 kg) Munich Malt 8L
0.50 lb (0.22 kg) Victory Malt 25L
0.50 lb (0.22 kg) Crystal 120L
0.25 lb (0.11 kg) Pale Chocolate Malt 200L
0.5 oz. (14 g) Centennial pellet hops, 10% alpha acid (20 min.) (6.4 IBU)
0.5 oz. (14 g) Amarillo pellet hops, 7% alpha acid (20 min.) (4.5 IBU)
1 oz. (28 g) Centennial pellet hops, 10% alpha acid (10 min.) (7.6 IBU)
1 oz. (28 g) Amarillo pellet hops, 7% alpha acid (10 min.) (5.3 IBU)
1 oz. (28 g) Centennial pellet hops, 10% alpha acid (0 min.) (0 IBU)
1 oz. (28 g) Amarillo pellet hops, 7% alpha acid (0 min.) (0 IBU)

Extract with specialty grains option: Using liquid malt extract, replace English Pale Malt with 8.75 lbs (3.97 kg) pale malt extract. Replace the Munich malt with 0.75 lbs. (0.34 kg) Munich malt extract. Using dry malt extract, replace English Pale Malt with 7 lbs (3.17 kg) pale malt extract. Replace the Munich malt with 0.50 lbs. (0.22 kg) Munich malt extract.

Yeast: A clean neutral yeast that attenuates in the mid-seventy percent range is perfect. White Labs WLP001 or Wyeast 1056 American Ale are excellent choices. A good dry yeast option is Fermentis Safale US-56. Ferment at 68F (20 C).

Directions: Single infusion mash at 154F (68C) using a ratio of 1.3 quarts water to 1 pound of grain. While you could go with a shorter boil, the 90 minute boil enhances the blood-red color. It also adds a touch more melanoidin and caramel notes. Cool the wort quickly after the last hop addition to retain as much hop aroma as possible. Optionally, dry hop with more Centennial or Amarillo if you're a real hop monster. Carbonate to no more than 2 volumes and serve at 45 to 55 F (7.2 to 12.8 C).
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Re: Heavily hopped APA - too much?

Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:49 pm

Cheers dudes. Funnily enough, it was that article that led me into the hop-bursting thing. I've donee it on a West Coast Red and another APA, and really liked the results, but I was wondering if I could get away with less hops and get more or less the same effect. Only one way to find out, I'll just brew it and see how it turns out. Or do a split batch...
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Re: Heavily hopped APA - too much?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:47 am

Ceejay wrote:Cheers dudes. Funnily enough, it was that article that led me into the hop-bursting thing. I've donee it on a West Coast Red and another APA, and really liked the results, but I was wondering if I could get away with less hops and get more or less the same effect. Only one way to find out, I'll just brew it and see how it turns out. Or do a split batch...

You could make it with half the hops. It wouldn't be the same beer, but it would still be good. You might have to cut back on some of the malt, since the Crystal malt would be out of balance.
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Re: Heavily hopped APA - too much?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:56 am

I have an IPA recipe that I really like that uses 2 oz of blended hops every 5 minutes starting at 20 mins just like yours does, plus it takes a FWH addition. It is _really_ hoppy.
I can confirm you could cut this down to 28g total hops for each addition and still get a VERY hoppy beer.

Here's the link if you are interested:

http://www.brewtility.com/ViewRecipe.aspx?RecipeID=50

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Re: Heavily hopped APA - too much?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:35 pm

Cheers guys. Reckon I might cut it back to 28g total per addition and add a 60 min to retain the same IBU. That way I'll have some hops left over that I can chuck into a more hoppy West Coast Red that I'm going to repitch the yeast(WLP090) into. The aim is to do an APA/XPA, West Coast Red then a Torpedo style IPA all repitched one after the other, each getting more hoppy each time. So I guess I need to start this one slightly lower so as not to completely cane the yeast into submission!
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