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Arrogant Bastard Show

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:01 am
by Zen_Brew
I just wanted to say I have listened to many hours of CYBI and The Jamil show archives. I loved the Arrogant Bastard show. I think you should seriously consider blind brewing more beers, or at least attempt it once blind beore you interview the brewer.

Lets face it Jamil and Tasty are both very talented and accomplished brewers. If they interview the brewers and get 80-90% of the information they need they are going to nail 90% or better of their clone attempts. While this has the wonderful benefit of putting a known good recipe out there for us homebrewers, I feel it would be much more of a challenge and test of Jamil and Tasty's skills to formulate a blind recipe.

This has the added benefit of being a much greater learning experience for the listener. I really enjoyed listening to why they went with this malt, or that crystal, and I learned a lot listening to them troubleshoot the beer when it was complete.

I would love to hear more blind clone attempts on future BN shows. :aaron

Re: Arrogant Bastard Show

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:36 am
by brewinhard
Just listened to that today as I brewed a pale mild. Sometimes I think the boyz learn more by not successfully cloning the beer than by getting it right. I wonder how close the adjusted clone will come to the original.

Re: Arrogant Bastard Show

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:28 pm
by beerpressure
Downloading the mp3 right now. Arrogant bastard is one of my favorites...

Re: Arrogant Bastard Show

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:59 pm
by jamilz
I just figure that people will be annoyed with, "we came close, we'll do it again" on every show. I think most people in the end want the recipe and most aren't as patient as you. :)

Re: Arrogant Bastard Show

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:12 pm
by Mylo
I'm more interested in the process of trying to clone a beer than the actual recipe. It is fun to hear the decision making and debate on ingredients. For those of us that are trying to develop recipe formulation skills, it's very informative. I might suggest breaking up the shows into 20 min segments done over several days/weeks. First segment could be tasting the commercial example - discussing flavors and potential ingredients for the upcoming recipe. Segment two can be discussing the actual ingredients and process used, and tasting the clone attempt. Final segment could be the critique with both the brewcasters and the brewer tasting and discussing the clone, and any suggestions for making it a closer attempt.

Logistically, they could record several segments in one sitting.


Mylo

Re: Arrogant Bastard Show

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:53 pm
by Zen_Brew
jamilz wrote:I just figure that people will be annoyed with, "we came close, we'll do it again" on every show. I think most people in the end want the recipe and most aren't as patient as you. :)


Thanx for the answer JZ. Love the shows! Well if you only tried it blind the first time, then interviewed the brewer you'd only be saying "we came close, we'll do it again" every other show. :)

Besides, I bet you guys would start nailing them without the brewers help half of the time anyway. You and Tasty are like the Dynamic Bruo.

Plus that way we get two recipes. The close one, which is probably a fine interpretation, just not quite true to form, and then the true one. I'd enjoy brewing the one that is close. I'd just tell my friends, yeah I like Arrogant Bastard, but I wanted to change things up a bit with my interpretation. Then when they laugh and say I just wasn't able to brew it right I could brew up the second one where you guys nailed it and be like Hey! Check dis chit out while you're bull $hittin. :aaron

Re: Arrogant Bastard Show

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:04 pm
by koalasprint
Must say I enjoyed the show too - probably not a process which would be entertaining show after show, but certainly a good/interesting way to approach those beers with massive reputations. Good to listen to the process as a novice brewer too.

On a side note, I know Jamil has expressed a concern for this adlib style of show and the lengthy trial and error process it might involve. With that in mind, will Jamil and Tasty both be brewing slightly different recipes of the 'clone' or will only one continue to brew each batch? Thought it might allow the show to explore more recipe avenues and possibly speed up the process.

Unless building suspense is what they want. :wink:

A great show though, the best so far for mine, and I can't even get Arrogant Bastard here! :|

Kev

Re: Arrogant Bastard Show

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:18 am
by HopRunner
I was hoping they would at least bring up the oaked version. Regular Arrogant Bastard is fine but not a person favorite of mine but I do like the oaked version a great deal.

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