Why does sediment float off yeast cake so eazy in my wheat?

Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:27 pm

I've had a batch of bottled Honey wheat in the fridge for 2 weeks after 2 weeks room temp and 2 week ferment(one week secondary + 2 day cold crash). If I pour it really careful I get clear beer but any jolt at all and I get sediment in suspension. Its 50% wheat, 25% pale, 25% pils in a 10 gallon batch + 4.5 lbs wild flower honey. Single infusion mash @153, vorluaf and fly sparge. The sparge was a little fast. I did pitch a crap ton of WLP001 CA Ale.
So there seems to be a less floculent yeast on top of a solid cake. Is this typical for wheat? Did I pick up something from sparging to fast?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not the one that minds haveing cloudy wheat beer, but I do want to understand why this is the only batch that has done this and I have to make it again because it's damn good. I have a lot of equipment and process options available to me so don't be shy about suggestions. Thanks in advance for your input.
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Re: Why does sediment float off yeast cake so eazy in my whe

Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:55 pm

Its a wheat beer. Less flocculant yeast.
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Re: Why does sediment float off yeast cake so eazy in my whe

Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:57 pm

snowcapt wrote:Its a wheat beer. Less flocculant yeast.

But he said he pitched WLP 001, yes? If it were wheat beer yeast, they would be less floccy... I would just give it longer in the ferementor.
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Re: Why does sediment float off yeast cake so eazy in my whe

Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:56 pm

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Re: Why does sediment float off yeast cake so eazy in my whe

Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:15 am

Or possibly precipitated proteins?

My only thought on the yeast side stems from:

brewjedi wrote:I did pitch a crap ton of WLP001 CA Ale.


Which leads me to believe it was a re-pitch or a starter. If it's a re-pitch I would ask how many generations & the procedure used in rinsing the yeast out. During my yeast experiments I did find that it's pretty easy to turn 001 into non-floccing dust.
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Re: Why does sediment float off yeast cake so eazy in my whe

Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:27 am

I was thinking proteins, but that's a good point that less flocculant 001 may have been selected for, especially if it was multiple generations taking the yeast from secondary to repitch...
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Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:14 am

spiderwrangler wrote:I was thinking proteins, but that's a good point that less flocculant 001 may have been selected for, especially if it was multiple generations taking the yeast from secondary to repitch...


What I found was that when you're rinsing the yeast & discarding the top/bottom (heads/tails if you wish) that with 001 especially, it's extremely beneficial to throw out just a little extra from the top portion. It seems to take a very minute amount to make your colony dusty after just 2 or 3 gens. The english yeasts that I've worked with seem to be a bit more tolerant. This is just from experience.
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Re: Why does sediment float off yeast cake so eazy in my whe

Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:38 am

Yeah, that make them less floccy too... especially if both were being done.
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