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pH meter temp adjustment

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:40 am
by BigNastyBrew
Ok, so I just ordered the smaller pHep pH meter from B3 and it says auto calibrated to 140°. So, what do you do when you're mashing at 150°+?

Re: pH meter temp adjustment

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:13 pm
by hotrod38
I put a sample in a small glass. Swirl it around and then take the ph reading.

Re: pH meter temp adjustment

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:47 pm
by BigNastyBrew
hotrod38 wrote:I put a sample in a small glass. Swirl it around and then take the ph reading.


Sample of just wort or you scoop out some mash?

Re: pH meter temp adjustment

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:43 am
by hotrod38
Just the liquid.

Re: pH meter temp adjustment

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:53 am
by ajdelange
BigNastyBrew wrote:Ok, so I just ordered the smaller pHep pH meter from B3 and it says auto calibrated to 140°. So, what do you do when you're mashing at 150°+?

It says "Automatic temperature compensation from 32 - 140 °F" and that makes sense. "Auto calibrated to 140°F" doesn't make sense, at least to me.

It is absolutely essential that a pH meter be calibrated at least once each day you use it. If you don't do this readings are pretty much worthless because we look for small changes in brewing and meter drift can amount to more than some of the pH changes we are interested in. Also, a pH electrode should be stored in a storage solution recommended by the manufacturer.

pH measurements on mash (or wort) should be done at room temperature. This is because all the pH readings you will see in the literature are done at laboratory temperature (pH shifts a couple of tenths of a unit between kettle and room temperature and a little less between mash and room temperature) and, more importantly, because the less thermal stress you put on the delicate glass bulb in the sensor the longer it will last. I'm currently getting over 2 years. The temperature limit of 140 suggests that the instrument might be damaged at higher temperatures. So take a small sample in a small beaker, shot glass or whatever you have and let it cool down. It doesn't matter whether grains are present or not (but they can wedge up in the probe between the guard and bulb and should be removed if they do). Be sure to follow the manufacturers instructions for calibration (e.g. thorough rinsing with distilled water betwen measurements) for calibration, use fresh buffers and protect them from dilution (or other contamination). Store the electode in manufacturers approved storage solution.

Finally, a pH meter is like any other instrument. There is a learning curve. Practice with your meter on stuff around the house. Milk, for example, has a pH of around 6.7, vinegar around 2.4, a baking soda solution (in distilled water) about 8.3, lemon juice 1.8-2.3, distilled water about 5.65 (but this is hard to measure). If you encounter a strange pH number in brewing rinse the probe thorougly with DI water and check against the buffers - fresh in a separate container i.e. not the ones you did the cal with.

Re: pH meter temp adjustment

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:14 am
by BigNastyBrew
Thanks. I meant ATC, not calibration. I did order the solutions for calibration and storage.

Re: pH meter temp adjustment

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:03 pm
by BigNastyBrew
DAMMIT!!!!!!

Why the hell is B3 ALWAYS out of the shit I need? CHRIST!! Order more!

Anyway, I get an email that they're out of stock on the pHep meter. That completely fucks up my brew day on Thursday.

Just had to vent. I cancelled the order and ordered another one from NB but I paid for MORE shipping so I could still have it by Saturday so I could salvage my brewing plans for this week.

So..... I'll brew my Ordinary Bitter again on Thursday using 5.2 instead of my Tripel.

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